So why exactly do we hate Autism Speaks?

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I don't mind what Autism Speaks is doing. Some people don't want their kids to go through hell and back in school, then dealing with autism later on in life.

I wonder if people would feel the same if the Autism Speaks policy of "lets eradicate them" was aimed at other sections of society.

Example:
How much damage has religious war/hatred done to humanity over the course of history (and continued to do now)? Lets eradicate religious people as there is an epidemic of religiousness in the world and they are a disease who should be wiped out.

Edit: To clarify, I don't really think Relgious people should be eradicated, but that is very much how the message Autism Speaks puts across feels.

Exactly right. That's why they made that I Am Autism video - by depersonifying us and turning autism itself, and by extension, the people who have autism, into an it, a thing, a monster, they can justify their eugenics advocacy. Again, you can easily draw direct comparisons with the Nazis when they told everyone the Jews were subhuman. Makes it much easier to justify getting rid of them all.

While we're at it, let's kill everyone who doesn't have blonde hair and blue eyes! THERE'S A MASSIVE BROWN HAIR EPIDEMIC! WIPE THEM ALL OUT!

I like that parody. I'm going to make a parody song of "World is Mine" by Hatsune Miku called Cash is Mine.

I'll just going to have to think of the lyrics, and try to remember the ones to World is Mine.

NT's can go through hell and back in school too...

Any group that advocates abortion as an option concerning the Autistic Spectrum will never get my support.

Hair color doesn't affect your life in the same way that autism does. That's a poor analogy.

Acually it isn't a poor analogy which is the sad part.

they are #1 on my "most wanted to suffer" list for: paradoxial stupidity (being so stupid that it is impossible to be that stupid), Over-extreme Greediness (they worship scientology) and Fraud and propaganda (just watch "i am autism")

Thing is, people don't choose to be autistic. People can be brought up to be religious, or choose to be, and it's possible to make your hair pretty well any colour.

Well you're a solipsist, so surely what other people think of you doesn't matter since you don't believe they exist?

You can pretend to be NT if you wish, anyway. I personally think doing so is stupid, but lots of Aspies and Auties do it.

(I hate quote pyramids )

Well then surely Religious people are even worse? They choose to be part of institutions that do all this damage to peoples lives. If the example of Religion doesn't work for you however, we could try another one:

Homosexuality, a lot of people say that they are "born gay" rather than "choosing to be gay", again how often can families be damaged when someone admits to being homosexual and then:

1. Parent/Family disown them, refuse to speak to them or have anything else to do with them.
2. If the person already is in a relationship, perhaps with a partner and kids, how does this effect them?

Clearly Homosexuality does massive damage to relationships and to families, so they should eradicate it at once! (Note: again I don't actually believe this for a second, but I'm trying to help to show the true message of Autism Speaks.)

Of course in that case, Homosexuality was actually considered a disease for a long time and many people did try to "cure" it, hopefully Autism is just lagging behind a bit and eventually the same will happen.

The point ultimately is that Autism Speaks is advocating the forced removal of a section of society, this is why many people on the Spectrum object to them, my question to NTs would be "how would you feel if a similar group was formed because they decided your <ethnicity/gender/sexuality/religion/where you live/etc/etc> was wrong and needed to be removed?"

guys, are you sure they aren't only trying to cure low functioning autism? i mean i know a few kids with low functioning autism, and lets just say it isn't pleasent

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LOL. I watched a porno movie last night called SpiderBabe.



I have a much different idea of what the future conflict would be about. Instead of being based on some anti-eradication/change platform based on hackneyed notions of "normals vs. abnormals", there would be a confrontation between the lower functioning and the high-functioning. I think with the cracking of the genetic code as you said, there will also be the capabilities to alter genes and the aspects of neurology that are influenced by them, in order to augment mental ability. I bet the lower functioning, after all of that time having seen the super high functioning poindexters living it up with immense amounts of aptitude, while they struggled with gruesome impairments, will rise up against them, and will demand that the really high-functioning let them be cured so that they can get basic abilities and quality of life, forcing them to share their cognitive strengths.



Sounds like some kind of a religious fascist counterrevolution.



Even after considering that Autism Speaks may not actually have such an opinion, while they're likely oblivious to such matters in regards to those who they are supposed to help, how can things like dreams, hopes, and feelings be strongly pursued and fulfilled when the fundamentals of life, which include basic life skills, aren't being provided?




Even putting aside that not many will get to be as successful as Einstein or Bill Gates, what makes that cheap phony Bill Gates such an admirable example?



They're downright pathetically ridiculous analogies, and are way beyond comparing apples and oranges. And those analogies can basically be very offensive, with their trivialization of real atrocities.

also, do you hate the idea of a cure, or just the group itself?

How about the fact he's the second richest person in the world? And the fact he started and built up the biggest software company in the world? That good enough for you?

Autism Speaks says there is an epidemic and they gladly count all the newly diagnosed with mild autism or Asperger's. After that they turn around and say these people don't have real autism. You can't have it both ways!

If you have Asperger's you should be thankful they say, because at least you can talk. Then nothing else matters.

They attack people with Asperger's all the time, even if those people are not activists, they see activists in all Asperger people.

They stereotype Asperger's and say all us live a great life with families and good paying jobs. Heck, I had a real job 6 months of my entire life!

They think autism kids were normal at first and then they got damaged by the state or some corporation. It doesn't matter if the kid wasn't regressive.

They think the kid they have is not their real kid, and they won't treat it as such before their real kid that is in there comes out.

They can't accept kids with autism are not normal, that they grew into autism the same way a kid grows into mental retardation, they think their kid was perfect, then something happened and that can be cured, while they don't believe mental retardation can be cured.

They overstress doing normal things. They mourn specific things that all kids do like that is the meaning of life, to graduate, have a homecoming, get laid, work work work. If you can't do those your life is pointless. It makes me panic when they think everyones life should be that hollow. Why can't they be proud when the kid can do something others can not?

I think the displeasedness with a child is outrageous. They are like "why couldn't I have a totally plain, dumb normal child?" If you decide to become a parent you can't have a lot of plans about how you will mold this perfect piece of clay that can be made into your little clone. You must accept life can throw anything at you, don't plan on kids if you are immature and can't realize that. A kid isn't something you mailorder.