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Do you think people on the spectrum should have their own country?
Yes 40%  40%  [ 64 ]
No 60%  60%  [ 95 ]
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26 Sep 2012, 10:59 am

Who needs a country?
We got an entire(wrong)planet :D



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30 Sep 2012, 9:19 am

On the face of it, "Aspergia" sounds like a good idea but the people who voted "yes" probably don't want to admit that some major problems would exist. For example, what would happen to Neurotypical children? Would Neurotypicals be allowed to enter? How would we receive funding?

Besides, organising it would be hugely impractical. I doubt that the UN would take us seriously.

Why don't we just congregate and work together in the non-internet world? I know that many (including myself) attend support groups or social clubs but why not take it further? We could become roommates and form our own advocacy organisations. Curebie organisations aren't going to stop if all we do is continue to whine about them online. I really wish we would actually speak for ourselves on more of a high-profile scale.


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30 Sep 2012, 1:44 pm

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Do you think we should have our own country, and where would you want it? I think we should have our own country. It would be kind of like an Israel, but without any Palestinians trying to take over.

I think a good place for a country would be the area currently occupied by the United States States of New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Maine, along with the Canadian provinces of Ontario, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, and maybe Quebec, though that might be spun off into its own country. The capital would be Ottawa as that is a pre made national capital, is its Canada's national capital. The country would throw out undesirables, except NT government workers who are against us and other serious threats against us, we would send them to Siberia under contract with the Russians. We could have NTs in our country that are not against us, as there are people like that in the area.

It would be interesting to have our own country, because our country would be so different for any other country. The roads would probably be interesting, as the choices Aspies have in vehicles is wide ranging, which would mean there would be a wide range of vehicles on the roads, and the government rules would allow the import of any vehicle from any where in the world. It the country was like that, the auto plants would probably be full of hand made cars, as mass production would not allow the economical production of limited numbers of the same vehicle, and also replacement headlamp assemblies for cars from countries that drive on the left, as the factory lights would be backwards. It would be interesting if the replicas of '60s, '70s and '80s cars made in that country would be better quality than the originals, as one of the traits of AS is attention to detail.


Do you think neutotypicals born to Aspies in AspyTopia should be departed or treated as unwelcome or inferior resident? Do you think Aspies born to NTs in Normal-land should be deported to AspyTopia?

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02 Oct 2012, 10:17 pm

I'd only want our own country if NT's were part of it. Like, the NT's who won't try to change us or anything.



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03 Oct 2012, 3:37 am

ruveyn wrote:
greengeek wrote:
Do you think we should have our own country, and where would you want it? I think we should have our own country. It would be kind of like an Israel, but without any Palestinians trying to take over.

I think a good place for a country would be the area currently occupied by the United States States of New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Maine, along with the Canadian provinces of Ontario, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, and maybe Quebec, though that might be spun off into its own country. The capital would be Ottawa as that is a pre made national capital, is its Canada's national capital. The country would throw out undesirables, except NT government workers who are against us and other serious threats against us, we would send them to Siberia under contract with the Russians. We could have NTs in our country that are not against us, as there are people like that in the area.

It would be interesting to have our own country, because our country would be so different for any other country. The roads would probably be interesting, as the choices Aspies have in vehicles is wide ranging, which would mean there would be a wide range of vehicles on the roads, and the government rules would allow the import of any vehicle from any where in the world. It the country was like that, the auto plants would probably be full of hand made cars, as mass production would not allow the economical production of limited numbers of the same vehicle, and also replacement headlamp assemblies for cars from countries that drive on the left, as the factory lights would be backwards. It would be interesting if the replicas of '60s, '70s and '80s cars made in that country would be better quality than the originals, as one of the traits of AS is attention to detail.


Do you think neutotypicals born to Aspies in AspyTopia should be departed or treated as unwelcome or inferior resident? Do you think Aspies born to NTs in Normal-land should be deported to AspyTopia?

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And what would become of the LFA in Aspieland I wonder?



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09 Oct 2012, 9:49 am

I voted yes.

I have a NT daughter and most children that are NT are broad autism phenotype(she's not autistic but she has enough traits she wouldn't be much trouble)

Perhaps an island would be better. We could do organic farming with farming silos that have moveable windows that allow sunlight in and automatically water the crops.
A lot of aspies are good at detail oriented tasks and thus we could run a government online with appropriate forms, policies, and on an island we being a small population could have mass transit
for transportation. All bills could be paid online we have enough programmers to do that.

Technology is our friend and we could form our own technology companies. There is a wide range of functioning on the spectrum and we could surely figure it out. how to provide infrastructure and housing. Electricity on an island could be geothermal, wind generated, and hydroelectric. As for education we could design our own curriculum that is sensory and technology based.

As an island we could have tourism and cater to people who want alone time/quiet vacations. NTs would be welcome we could just charge them a special tax. As for the population issues incentives could be made for single NT women raising Autistic children to move.



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09 Oct 2012, 10:39 am

androbot2084 wrote:
The naysayers said the same thing about Israel.


Yeah and just look at that place, almost as bad as all the surrounding countries.


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11 Oct 2012, 7:07 am

An Autist (dominated) town or neighbourhood is a lot more feasible that even a territorial micronation, since it "just" involves gerrymandering control of an area by having several hundred Autists move there for mutual support.

Though, a semi-permanent Autist retreat could probably work. Perhaps that could bootstrap a somewhat permanent settlement...



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11 Oct 2012, 12:22 pm

we would need to chose a geographical(or several geographical areas) to move and build a community.



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14 Oct 2012, 4:37 am

I don't think that would be a very good idea to be honest, I think that would just worsen everyone's view of autistics.


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14 Oct 2012, 6:45 am

greengeek wrote:
I think a good place for a country would be the area currently occupied by the United States States

Magneto wrote:
An Autist (dominated) town or neighbourhood is a lot more feasible that even a territorial micronation, since it "just" involves gerrymandering control of an area by having several hundred Autists move there for mutual support.

Such a place does already exist. It is called Silicon Valley.
kate123A wrote:
Perhaps an island would be better.

kate123A wrote:
we would need to chose a geographical(or several geographical areas) to move and build a community.

We could build a powerfull magnetic amplifier (with one or more wave poles, total isothermal control mechanism and magnetometer with biaktiv cinema graphic voltage)that we could place at the bottom of the sea, and use it to affect ironmolecules on the seabed that can lift up parts of it, and in that way make an island with good, fertile soil.
Or, we could take icebergs and put them together to make a big floating island. We could place a layer of soil on top of it to isolate the ice so it deos not melt as fast, and put it in a region of the Atlantic ocean where the streams are not to warm, so it does not melt as fast. some of it will any way melt, but we can use other icebergs to fix the damage.
The practical thing with a floating island is that we will not be to affected by rising sealevel caused by global warming.
Or, we could build one big, floating city. That is more practical then a floating island made of icebergs, because a floating city could be moved anywere on the ocean without melting. It could have a center with a big powerplant, the buildings of the government and an information central with a big, public computer. Other parts of the city could be attached or detached after wish. I would suggest that we lay tracks for magnetic trains throughout the city, and we could have roads for people that wants to walk, use a bike or drive cars(that does not pollute). We could have airbuses for traveling to other nations, if that shows to be necessary. I would suggest that we put up walls around the city with EMP-canons on top of it, to stop possibly attacking ships without killing the crews. It would be practical with roofs and glass domes over public areas and backyards, as protection from bad weather. The weather and temperature inside could be adjusted after wish. That would be practical for parks and gardens.
For energy we could have turbins und windmills, which would be very practical on the ocean. Or we could have one big Searl Effect generator in the center of the city, and/or nuclear reactors. If we should use nuclear generators, then I would suggest that we ues that kind of reacors that uses thorium, or that type that uses uranium 238. Uranium 238 is a very common nuclear waste, that not many countries want to have. That way, we could maybe get paid and at the same time get fuel.
I would suggest that we uses multiple storeygreenhouses, and that to clone meat instead of slaughtering animals.
Some of the things that we would have to solve is how the economy should be, how the educational system should be and how the legal system should be.

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18 Oct 2012, 6:05 pm

First of all, before we worry about political system or industry lets worry about the basics. We need a landmass. I don't see why it makes sense to be in the USA or even anywhere near there. It took long enough for the native Americans to get their own reserves, and land would be far more expensive in the developed hemisphere. There are countless islands for sale in the carribean or pacific islands. If some autistic philanthropist with enough cash wanted to make this happen, I think it could be acheivable. Other than that it would need some sort of fund raising initiative. I would support it though, imagine having a place where we were no longer a 'disabled' group.



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18 Oct 2012, 6:08 pm

Curiotical wrote:
On the face of it, "Aspergia" sounds like a good idea but the people who voted "yes" probably don't want to admit that some major problems would exist. For example, what would happen to Neurotypical children? Would Neurotypicals be allowed to enter? How would we receive funding?



I think neurotypical spouses and NT children of Aspergian citizens should get automatic citizenship. On the whole though, how many Autistics go on to become parents? It must be a minority.

The way i see it the AS population would be replenished from new AS immigrants from the NT world, making sure we stay the majority.

We'd recieve funding like any other country, start some industries and work!



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19 Oct 2012, 5:00 am

Why do you need land before you can develop the apparatus of state? Why does an identity group need to tie itself to land to survive? Land is good, but it's not the foundation.

Maybe we ought to start developing some political simulations to see how such a thing would actually work? Say, a website-based Autist micronation that can try out internal governance systems...



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20 Oct 2012, 6:26 am

It would be enourmousl hypocritical for me to suport this state when im an anti-zionist.



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20 Oct 2012, 5:42 pm

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It would be enourmousl hypocritical for me to suport this state when im an anti-zionist.


Israel was founded on land that already habited. Who is to say 'Aspergia' has to be? By that logic it would be pro-zionist for any new country to be started.

It doesnt even necessarilly need to be 'country sized'. Perhaps a small village sized plot of land with a few houses, to start a small community just to test it to see if it does well. If so we can go from there.

If any rich sympathetic person is reading this and wants their first citizen, sign me up. I can produce a formal diagnosis letter and a solid work ethic.

It would eventually need a functioning government so It can legislate for itself however.