ASD folk should stick together like ethnic minorities

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11 Jan 2021, 4:52 am

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Unless you mean it in a purely capitalist way, autistic people are the most productive people I know!

Please get a specialist interest which isn't just browsing the net wallowing.

yeesh chill. so what is your better solution to our issues? We can't force NT to accept us, we have issues finding jobs, besides sticking together and supporting each other I honestly am stumped on how to solve this problem. But maybe I am missing something that you can give insight to

OK then on an employment level I agree with you.

Just seems like there's a lot of people on here the last couple of days who have been assuming being autistic is this big negative sad thing and being alone is as bad as us as it is for NTs. People who long to be NT.

People, and especially autistic people, should be content in their own company during their off time. However, this requires more work than just going to the pub and blowing your brains out with alcohol requires. It requires having genuine hobbies.

If you need a job (either for money or because you are incapable of creating your own healthy routines), getting a job working for another autistic person is a good idea.

But there is no shame in that work being independent work we're actually suited to rather than group work.

My issue is you thinking you can shift all autistic people across the country/world. The way I see it, family comes first. If family are scum and reject their kin just for being autistic, it might be worth it for those specific individuals to move.

In case you haven't noticed, there is a pandemic. Over here, the country is in lockdown. NTs who work in groups are doing it over Zoom. That's why screen time is so high for people and why it's not great to say 'get out of the house' - I do go to the local park but I've been out a lot less over the last year or so than the year before it: it's not safe, my NT family members don't go out either for the same damn reason.

As long as we learn to focus on other things than just the computer, there's no issue. Take up art or learn an instrument or something. If you live with family, play board games with them. Go for walks at the park.

again you can be "content" being alone but science and your physical health disagrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_isolation. just "get hobbies bro" is not enough humans were DESIGNED to live in large extended families/communities/tribes not be rotting in front of a computer screen. (many primates like gorillas/chimps live in large groups and cooperate for survival).

1 Not rotting in front of screen
2 Those tests are on NTs. Autism = of the self.
3 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... g-out.html This affects everyone who is human
4 I choose to spend time with other humans when it is safe. I choose how to do this. I go out and get hobbies and mix with people who actually like me. I do this on my own terms as it is a want not a need.
5 A - as long as people are interacting why does it matter if it's 'weird' B - My hobbies wouldn't be considered 'weird' to NTs. Chav NTs maybe but plenty NTs like art and football. I go to art classes and my CSC when it is safe. My NT mother has been screen-only as well because there is a world wide pandemic.
6 Lol 'quit licking NT boot'. They're not the ones telling everyone to become NT and interact like NTs do.
7 The way you talk is absolutely rubbing people off the wrong way

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11 Jan 2021, 4:55 am

bigNYC wrote:

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It is already happening.

How? Stats dont look too good many ASD are very isolated and underemployed

When you say "stick together" do you mean in person or simply communicating on issues and share a similar strategy in approaching situations?

I'm guessing he moreso means supporting each others interests like helping with networking, offering mutual aid, etc.

Makes sense the way you put it but I had to ask what he meant since he brought up gangs as a comparison, most of whom hang out in person together.

When they live in the same physical community they might, unless business demands otherwise. Criminal enterprises are still enterprises after all.

why don't we ASD try to all physically move to the same area? i mean its not like we have much to lose.

A. wallow in isolation
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B. take the risks of forming communities but at least gain more than rotting in our bedrooms

C Enjoy our own company and living near family

cool but science says otherwise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_isolation

That science is carried out on NTs.

What part did you miss about families? That's what monkeys do, they don't travel all the way round the jungle looking for strangers to impress. They live in extended family groups.

I'm sorry for you if your family is worth leaving behind to seek out strangers. Mine isn't. We look after our own.

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11 Jan 2021, 7:19 am

Btw if this would happen it would create its own culture and probably around hobbies you consider 'weird'.

Who cares if they're 'weird' if they bring other people happiness?

All cultures do things which would be considered weird by other culture's standards. There would be new norms, aspie norms.

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11 Jan 2021, 7:58 am

There’s an elephant in the room that’s being completely ignored.

Many Autistic adults (not hf aspies) are not always in control of what they do or who they see their parents and carers are.

Most of these autistic adults are almost completely controlled by their NT parents / carers but for some reason this aspect is completely ignored.

So you would have to involve them too.

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11 Jan 2021, 8:10 am

I'm not controlled by my parents but my parents live 2 streets away from me and my NT mum's greatest misery was leaving her home town & her greatest happiness about the last couple years is coming back to the same county as her dad. She lives with him two nights a week.

I think what is missing in a lot of cultures is family.

I didn't think this was a problem in Latinx culture but it's a problem in WASP America and WASP UK.

It's not normal or healthy. It's certainly not from the animal world. It came about because nuclear families are easier to move around the family than extended families are.

Most animals in the wild will live with their kin. Most people historically have done the same. Most people round the world do the same.

Ironically this is probably why ethnic minorities stick together. Even in a new place, they cling onto family.

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11 Jan 2021, 9:29 am

There is an underlying thread -- a sub-thread -- to this conversation that seems to have gone unnoticed. Why do some autistic people perceive doing the same things that NTs do to become successful as "selling out" or "sucking up"? It is like when some people of certain non-white ethnicities have turned against successful people of those same ethnicities for "selling out" or "sucking up" to "wh***y".

(There, THAT elephant can now be seen in the room.)

If a method is legal and leads to success, then there is no reason not to follow it. I mean, if running a race faster than anyone else means you win the race, then it is obviously both fair and just to run the race as fast as you can. So if I employ the same methods as NTs to become successful, that does not mean that I am "selling out" or "sucking up" to NTs -- it means that I have become successful and beaten those NTs at their own game. Deriding successful people for "selling out" or "sucking up" for using known and legal methods of success is just another way of deflecting attention away from one's own failures.

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11 Jan 2021, 10:27 am

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I’m not referring to you but the autistic community in general.

A large % are very disabled or intellectually disabled in some way.

Unlike NT’s they don’t get to roam the earth as free independent people they require carers almost for all aspects of their life.

So if you want to create a community for ALL autistic people not just a hf elite you have to find a way to reach out to NT carers and parents.

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11 Jan 2021, 11:02 am

Yeah. There's def people like that, although it's prob not like being slaves to the family, more that they actually need that help.

One thing I've noticed about autistic people is you meet one, you've met one.

Widescale solutions and assumptions don't work for us.

I think they're not great for NTs but they're esp bad for us.

My main priority is: is that person happy and catered to? If not, let's seek out a solution tailored towards them.

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11 Jan 2021, 11:06 am

Yes. Individual solutions for individual issues.

One overlaying "cure" for everyone...

One ring to rule them all,
one ring to find them,
One ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.
... is obviously not the answer.

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11 Jan 2021, 11:33 am

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For someone who doesn't like licking NT boot you sure as f**k don't understand that those kinds of studies are done on NTs.

Autistic people are self contained.

It's not my fault if your family don't love you enough to be enough for you.

Enjoy the super spreader events you're planning.

I am talking about outside of covid. besides science disagrees again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_isolation

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11 Jan 2021, 11:40 am

bigNYC wrote:

... no one wants to learn.

You had nothing to teach.

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... I showed you peer-reveiwed work how ASD isolation is LITERALLY killing us but most ASD are too hard headed! I am like the doctor telling the 800lb person to lose weight or they will die but the fat person says: "bu- but I want to still eat cake and be 800lb and it is healthy! they literature saying not to be fat is only talking about neuro-typicals!" -i can't help ya

No one asked for your "help".

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i am done here.

Bye!

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11 Jan 2021, 11:47 am

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No disrespect but too simplistic, do black people form culture based on eating fried chicken? NO! Morbid humor aside, People form alliances based on challenges, (in the black example black people form alliances based on their challenges in dealing with racism etc.)

Most ADULTS don't form friendships through liking the same toys (or hobbies). LITTLE KIDS do that. ADULTS need to form more deep relationships outside of what toys they like to play with. For example ASD should unite IRL based on job challenges, family heritage, or even income class. I mean don't take this literally but just think about these aspects

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11 Jan 2021, 11:49 am

KT67 wrote:

bigNYC wrote:

KT67 wrote:

bigNYC wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Bravo5150 wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Bravo5150 wrote:

bigNYC wrote:

Jiheisho wrote:

It is already happening.

How? Stats dont look too good many ASD are very isolated and underemployed

When you say "stick together" do you mean in person or simply communicating on issues and share a similar strategy in approaching situations?

I'm guessing he moreso means supporting each others interests like helping with networking, offering mutual aid, etc.

Makes sense the way you put it but I had to ask what he meant since he brought up gangs as a comparison, most of whom hang out in person together.

When they live in the same physical community they might, unless business demands otherwise. Criminal enterprises are still enterprises after all.

C Enjoy our own company and living near family

cool but science says otherwise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_isolation

i am done here! no one wants to learn. I showed you PEER REVIEWED MEDICAL literature about how ASD isolation is LITERALLY killing us but most ASD are too hard headed and stubborn and DETERMINED to continue their self-destructive behaviors! I am like the exasperated doctor telling the 800lb person to lose weight or they will die of a heart attack but the fat person says: "bu- but I want to still eat cake and be 800lb and it is healthy! The medical literature saying not to be fat is written by fat-phobic body shamers!"

-i can't help ya at this point just like that exasperated hypothetical doctor

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11 Jan 2021, 11:50 am

bigNYC wrote:

... ADULTS need to form more deep relationships outside of what toys they like to play with.

Evidence, please?

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For example ASD should unite IRL based on job challenges, family heritage, or even income class.

Evidence, please?

Anyway, I thought you said you were done here.

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11 Jan 2021, 11:52 am

Specific dynamics of careers/parents too.
Just like each autistic individuals, not all NTs are created individually equal.

Not all pairs of parents or carers have the same circumstances and dynamics towards their child. :lol:

NT parents and families, too.

Not all families are loving and caring and simply 'deserve not to suffer'.
Not all are even are afraid to retaliate against their aggressively violent children, to a point of commiting acts that no person should ever be subjected to.
Not all families are stable and not dysfunctional, nor interested of family and the idea of loving any.

Could say the same with caretakers;

Not all caretakers are capable or trained to handle an autistic, even being very experienced and needs-sensitive may not be enough due to being ill matched.
Not all carers are suitable to be even one, just in it for the money or something. :lol:

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