Neurodiversity < Aspergianism

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to answer the first question, a lot of my friends are NTs because there aint too many aspies around *here* (where i live). I just act like an aspie and they act like NTs and we get along ok. If i do something they view as stupid they just shrug and say "lol, it's only 'Cad'" Obviously using my real name. I don't think we have to separate from NTs at all. They are stupid and annoying sometimes, but you gotta think we probably are stupid and annoying to them. Give and take

Thought I'd register and post a reply on the original post. Quote pared down and edited to a more interesting question. As far as the modified question goes, I can't see one reason not to want them. They'd be great for everything from menial labor for us to absorbing gunfire.

Humor aside, I've felt that the whole neurodiversity movement to be a bunch of hippie feel-good nonsense if applied in the general neurotypical way of reading and emotionally charging such things. I'm not sure I want a share the love, celebrate your fellows sort of mindset to come about. What I'd be satisfied with is a lightening of the inset stupidity in the general populace that forces them to be unable to cope with any inherent thought pattern that does not mirror their own in general situations and conversation.

All too often, they seem to get hung up over trivial things that just aren't 'normal' then immediately pass prejudicial judgment and develop notions based entirely off of that with that assumed understanding that you must bow and scrape for their approval and become the model that such delusions create in their minds.

This is a dangerous sort of thing to allow to perpetuate if you happen to be on the minority side of the fence, and needs to be preempted through proper education in how to conduct a proper mental evaluation of those who do not think like you do and better conducted research into the 'problem' of Asperger's Syndrome and Autism as a whole as it is perceived by the neurotypicals.

Also, I would disagree with the insanity of advocating the formation of any substantial physical settlement composed entirely of individuals that fall on the autistic spectrum on several points. First off, it would provide a centralized location to aim any aggression toward our group should that ever come to pass on a genocidal level. It would also be very easy to turn into a sort of internment camp. Genetic diversity would be compromised, greatly affecting the prospects of long-term breeding.

The greatest threat is likely to come not physically, but through horrific medical programs that would enable the wide-scale abortion of fetuses that will develop ASD, or that would manipulate the genetics to 'normalize' them. Bad for us, and ultimately bad for them too as it would inevitably stagnate human cognitive evolution should it be decided to sterilize or eliminate any emerging neurology not considered to be 'pure'. That's the sort of thing that causes eventual extinction.

As well as all of that, there will be a certain degree of responsibility on autistic adults to simply put, just get over it when it comes to the extreme emotional trauma inflicted by ostracization at a young age and working at self-adaptation to use whatever personal talents they have in order to make things work for them. There should not be an expectation of being able to generally fill the exact same role as the neurotypicals, but that isn't a bad thing as being outside of that also means you may be capable of doing things they just can't, which can be lucrative depending on what you manage to do.

Like a group of people exterminating everyone else for not being pure, then schisming up into smaller groups which exterminate each other, before there is only two people left, each with a gun: before a shot rings out and humanity dies?

Prejudice is such a large problem, I'm surprised nobody else saw the solution I am about to post. Then again, I seem to have a gift for finding flaws with the system which others tend to deny. Not only that, but whenever I attempt to use said flaws as loopholes, as most other reasonably open-minded people who were able to see the same loophole would probably like to do, I generally get punished for a problem with the rules. When I show them inconsistency with their rules, they believe it to be my fault.

Anyway, it doesn't entirely matter. My point is that I believe that what should happen is that we should create a new community. This community will be cultivated by aspies and other people with generally high IQs. This place wouldn't be restricted to aspies or against NPs, but simply a community of intellectuals, where mental outcasts can go to be with people who share their life views.

As for aspies being the next step in human evolution, I can't entirely say whether or not this is accurate. Really, the only way for any trait to be an evolutionary one is if it has Darwinian strength. Charles Darwin's theory of evolution states that a specific trait can only be evolutionary if it either increases the lifespan of one who possesses it or increases the chance of the possessor reproducing. In the case of AS, it's doubtful that it possesses Darwinian strength due to the fact that it doesn't seem to affect lifespan or attraction.

Personally, I believe that sometime long ago, a highly advanced extraterrestrial race/group of divine beings/other intellectually-enlightened group of individuals must have interbred with the human race. We are their descendants, but the genetic code has been passed along the entire human race so often that the genotypes that grant us our superior intelligence is hidden among the vast majority of human DNA we share with actual humans. In other words, we are superior to humans in the same way that humans are superior to monkeys. These two groups only differ in DNA by about 1-2%, but monkeys have yet to even master rudimentary toolmaking, much less man's finer achievements. Similarly, though we aspies share many genetic traits with humans, we are superior of intellect. As for those who are debating the definition of the word "superior", well, monkeys aren't ruling the world and developing space travel, are they?

Well lets play devils advocate a moment and assume it's Genetic(it may not be). Separating ourselves would be a formula for extinction.

Frankly, we just don't breed well on our own. While we don't have a measured reproduction rate like most ethnic groups and countries, I'm sure it's safe to say it's low, below the required 2.1, especially if you eliminate "cross breeding". And the "purer" the aspie, the less likely they are to breed.

From a reproduction standpoint, it could very well be that the only reason we don't go extinct is because NT's and Almost-NTs are carrying our genetics. Currently enough NTs have some of our genetics that every 1 in 150 births the stars align and we get a new Aspies. Periodic cross breeding between "high functioning" aspies (I hate that term -.-) and NTs ensures this.

If we systematically remove ourselves from NTs, eventually the NTs will lose all their Aspie DNA, forcing us to sustain our own populations.

Frankly, we can't survive a breeding war with them. We need them for reproduction, just like they need us to invent things. >.>

Well, the world isn't composed exclusively of rabbits...

Not sure how thats relevant. If you're insinuating that birth rate isn't everything, you're right. There is however a minimum birthrate to maintain a population. The min starts at 2.1 (thats per woman) and goes up based on environmental factors. Remarkably, theres plenty of countries currently bellow this mark and being sustained by immigration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_so ... ility_rate

And frankly, I don't think we'd be able to sustain a population. Too many of us aren't driven to breed, and those that are driven, are disadvantaged at finding a mate.

i just want to live in peace, not be in war with people. in the end we all die and this lifetime won't matter.

If aspies are so great and smart then why the hell am I dumb and pathetic as a brick?

Because everyones Aspieness is their own. It's special and unique, like a snowflake. Ans some snowflakes get #@$@$#ed up.

On a more serious note, it's hard to know why people on the spectrum are so varied. There does seem to be a trend toward higher IQs, Logical thinking and even ingenuity among those not totally dysfunctional. Like any group though, it's going to be a range. I don't know what the average IQ is for those on the spectrum, but it could be 150, and we'd still have to have people bellow average.

It should be noted that an Above Average IQ does not make you functional. You can be 199 but unable to function because an inability to express yourself, a critical skill in School, Work and relationships. (although I blame NTs for many of these issues. They're the ones who made the social system so convoluted!)

My question is, what makes you think you're dumb or pathetic? And who do we have to smack around for making you feel like that? >:(

Pretty much everyone in my life. Plus the proof is in the report cards, school transcripts, permanent records, employment records, etc.

We live in a world that speaks a different language and has a different culture (hence the site name). Poor grades or employment does not mean you're pathetic or dumb. It just means you either haven't figured out what you need to be successful, or how to communicate that need. Even once you figure out what you need, chances are any success you have is going to be unconventional.

Well my question is that how long are people on the autistic spectrum going to tolerate the blatant discrimination that goes on in schools and at the work place where people on the autistic spectrum are slammed with bad school report cards and bad performance evaluations at work that are written by people that are intellectually inferior to us? Nuerotypical people who if their lives depended on it could not visualize a 4 dimensional space or think in 4 dimensions and block any kind of technological advance that they do not feel is socially acceptable because they cannot comprehend the technology.

And yet if autistic people were set apart and allowed to live in their own society they would for the first times in their lives really thrive because they would no longer be held back. Society blames autistics as being these ret*d deviants yet how come the geniuses of the world like Jesus Christ and Einstein all had autism?


While the planet burns in greenhouse gasses because stupid NT's do not accept nuclear power. And while there are asteroids headed to destroy Earth because stupid NT's will never accept the atomic rocket as the first line of defense, autistic people are told to get on disability or to take on the most menial jobs.

Jesus had autism? lolwut.

Also, there's no proof that Einstein had autism besides "he was smart and socially awkward." He's also dead so you can't really diagnose him.

[quote="dalekaspie"]YES!, WE CAN INVENT D-MAT RAIL GUNS ON WALKING SENTRY DRONES WITH CARBON NANO ARMOUR AND WHAT WILL THEY HAVE, boards with nails in it. WE CANNOT LOOSE!

nah but in all seriousness, and i speak for my selfish gene nature nt's should be exterminated before they take the whole planet with them. now i know some aspies would disagree with me and suggest that we should concide with eachother AND THATS BRILLIANT, that is so aspie. unfortuantely i am fuelled with a psycopathis rage to go on a nt slaughtering rampage, now i dont know if thats from my dark history or my personal concept of hmanity that i percived from an aspie perspective but nt's cannot carry on this way. we could lead them or destroy them, i know my choice [/quote
No. I don't want that. Yes the nt humans are very cruel. But think about, we Aspergians are their only hope!

Yes if you listen to organizations such as "Autism Speaks" of course they will say it is impossible to diagnose Einstein because he is dead. But the real reason is that they do not want to admit that autism was responsible for the genius of Einstein. If they admit that autism is no longer a disorder but rather a gift then their whole cure autism agenda falls apart.