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27 Jun 2011, 10:42 pm

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well the real issue at heart of most autistic people getting fired is prejudice because they do not needlessly interact. NTs draw pleasure from interacting, the meaningless chatter stimulates them. Your boss didn't draw pleasure from his interactions with you so you got fired. It is not about work, you could be loyal to the death and work day and night, you could invent a time machine, he would still fire you. That is why autistic people need to band together and create our own companies and industries. We need to watch each others backs. As I have said countless times, it is to preserve our autism and it is the only way forward.


Basically unusual people come off as weird and people don't like that......the trouble is you seem to think only people with AS/Autism come off as a bit weird and thus the only ones who face the problems you have described. As a rule someone is not going to attack you because you have the condition, they are going to rationalize that you're unusual so there must be something wrong and a lot of people are not very kind about that. But its true there are NTs who have suffered this kind of thing as well so its unfair to suggest autism supremacy is the way to go.



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27 Jun 2011, 10:54 pm

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You know what, it is very obvious that my rambling thoughts and possible delusional thinking is derailing this thread, so I am going to walk away for it. When I get my ears fixed I will come back and defend my opinion.


Sometimes I use short cuts when speaking to others. I forget to think people might not know what I'm talking about becuase its not their interest. Earlier I was typing on my laptop writting a 2011 - 2015 growth based business plan for Humboldt Includes and Autism Candles. The what you call the N.T's but with a disability agency said they would likely give me x3 the amount of the typical max loan to expand to simi-robotics candle making equipment. It is needed to cut waste, increase production pace and reduce spilling cuasing clean up time on jars. If I felt I was superior and they were disability bigots I am not sure how I would have reacted. But I've met with the president of this agency a few times and its a larger one.


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27 Jun 2011, 10:56 pm

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:lol: :P


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Please don't become a diplomat.

I can not imagine you in the State Department as your current writing style alienates people (who may be sympathetic to your point of view).

If you want to influence opinion you have to be able to communicate your ideas to the "average Joe". I can not make up my mind if you have anything to say or not. However, I mistrust people who I suspect of trying to "blind me with science". For the next week, try not to post any words longer than two sylabuls and read the following.


Effective Business Writing: Tips, Tricks and Advice
By Stacie Heaps
Professional Writer and Editor

In another article, I wrote more extensively about writing effective business communication. In this article, I’m going to expound on three important tips for effective business communication—what I will call Effective Business Writing Tips, Tricks, and Advice.

Be Active
As you write, generally use active rather than passive constructions. The active voice is stronger than the passive, and it therefore produces more powerful sentences. If the subject of the sentence is the person or thing doing the acting, then the verb is in active voice. If the subject of the sentence is the person or thing receiving the action, then the verb is in passive voice. The passive form is less direct and is usually wordier than the active voice. Moreover, with the passive voice it is easy to make the actor anonymous and thereby avoid responsibility; this is an unfortunate and all-too-common practice in business communications. Though mentioning the action without identifying the actor may be appropriate in rare cases (for example, if knowing who did something really is unimportant), it is generally best to avoid doing so. For more information on this topic, see the article “Active and Passive Voice.”

Not: The decision was made to sell the company. The seminar was postponed by the executive directors.


But: The stockholders decided to sell the company. The executive directors postponed the seminar.

Be Brief
Write concisely. Don’t let your message get buried in long sentences or paragraphs of text. Keep the reader’s interest (and goodwill!) by keeping your comments brief and to the point. Especially in our culture of quick e-mails, text messaging, and IM, people don’t want to read long, verbose text.

Limit paragraphs to one idea each, particularly in letters, memos, e-mails, and the like. To help readers grasp main ideas quickly and easily, begin each paragraph by stating the main point or purpose of that paragraph, and follow this first sentence with supporting points or additional information.

As you write, whittle down your text whenever possible; use a sentence rather than a paragraph, a phrase rather than a sentence, and a word rather than a phrase when you can do so without losing meaning. Especially avoid wordy phrases such as due to the fact that; use because instead, for example. Also check for repetitious or superfluous information that can be deleted. For more information about writing concisely, see the article “Conciseness.”

Not: In spite of the fact that the deadline has been extended, we will still hold a meeting this morning for the purpose of discussing the estimated costs.


But: Though the deadline has been extended, we will still meet this morning to discuss the estimated costs.

Be Clear
When you write, use clear, simple words; avoid adorning your writing with flowery, pretentious language. Though it is all right to include a seldom-used or high-level word every now and then, for most audiences, this should be the exception rather than the rule. You don’t want your readers to misunderstand or, just as bad, to think you are talking above them.

Jargon (technical or highly specialized terminology) is notorious in some sectors of the business world. It has received a bad rap, and largely for good reason. Because such language tends to be exclusive, it is usually best to simply avoid jargon. If you are writing solely to others in your profession, including industry acronyms and abbreviations and other jargon may be appropriate, but still use caution. In cases where jargon is used solely for euphemistic reasons, as in the example below, it should be replaced with more direct, clearer language.

Not: Next week, the company will begin redundancy elimination.


But: Next week, the company will begin laying people off.

After you are finished writing your document, read over it to make sure that it makes sense and that there is no necessary information that has been omitted and no gaps in logic. Readers should be able to easily grasp what you are telling them or what you want them to do; you should do the work so that they don’t have to. For longer or more complicated documents, it is always a good idea to have someone else read over your draft before you submit it to make sure that it is clear and that it contains all the information that it needs to (and omits information that it doesn’t). For more information on writing clearly, see the article “Clarity.”

Conclusion
By following these three tips—using the active voice, writing concisely, and writing clearly—you’ll be well on your way to writing effective business documents. For a more thorough discussion on effective business writing, read “Writing an Effective Business Document.”



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27 Jun 2011, 11:18 pm

I have managed to raise tens of thousands of dollars using my techniques. I write all of the PR scripts as well. I want others to reflect on scientific concepts at times for their own amusement but such concepts are placed toward the intending audience and not typicaly broadcasting. A failure to trust is not proof enough to not trust. What I mean to say is I don't need your trust my actions are evidence of the ability of others to trust with evidence (trustability). Others alienate themselves and create a burden for others to by means of diplomacy (rational argumentation and compromise) with their unrelated politics such as abortion to fuel the idea of hatred when it is not so.

I do not understand a moderate amount of what you spoke about above wih regards to writting. Thanks for trying.


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27 Jun 2011, 11:22 pm

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I have managed to raise tens of thousands of dollars using my techniques..


Maybe they gave you the money to go away or maybe you would have raised hundereds of thousands if people could understand what you are on about!



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27 Jun 2011, 11:27 pm

Yes much more. But the candles could only go so far where I live. I am working on the Huboldt Includes model. I am currently having some problems with explaining it but a consultant and I agreed to make different reading material for different target groups.

People are so nice to me. Parents, professionals in the disability field and members of the business community. I'd have to have afalse belief to think they want me to go away..


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27 Jun 2011, 11:36 pm

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Yes much more. But the candles could only go so far where I live. I am working on the Huboldt Includes model. I am currently having some problems with explaining it but a consultant and I agreed to make different reading material for different target groups.

People are so nice to me. Parents, professionals in the disability field and members of the business community. I'd have to have afalse belief to think they want me to go away..


A communications consultant sounds like a good idea.

Can you get him to draft your posts on here as well?



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27 Jun 2011, 11:43 pm

I think when you speak to people with autism and demand they communicate in your specific style especially when you claim to be one you ought to think about what you talking about yourself. If you have certain questions I will clarify something and hell you might find yourself just a bit educated but to realize that might just require some humility. Yet my communication style here at times needs to be strictly analytic and will not mold it into some social clique belief. I like the saying grammar Nazi's as a joke because you just got to come in a post and point out my communication differences and not respect them for my own. You just have to learn how others communicate instead of demanding them to speak to your specific standards of practices. When your ready for a bit of education just let me know and I can even spend some time privately.


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27 Jun 2011, 11:52 pm

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I think when you speak to people with autism and demand they communicate in your specific style especially when you claim to be one you ought to think about what you talking about yourself. If you have certain questions I will clarify something and hell you might find yourself just a bit educated but to realize that might just require some humility. Yet my communication style here at times needs to be strictly analytic and will not mold it into some social clique belief. I like the saying grammar Nazi's as a joke because you just got to come in a post and point out my communication differences and not respect them for my own. You just have to learn how others communicate instead of demanding them to speak to your specific standards of practices. When your ready for a bit of education just let me know and I can even spend some time privately.


ci, you chased off HerrGrimm! That is no easy thing to do my friend! :lol: :lol: :lol:

You were dodging and weaving like a ninja back there. It was a wonder to behold. Well played sir, well played!



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27 Jun 2011, 11:56 pm

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ci wrote:
I think when you speak to people with autism and demand they communicate in your specific style especially when you claim to be one you ought to think about what you talking about yourself. If you have certain questions I will clarify something and hell you might find yourself just a bit educated but to realize that might just require some humility. Yet my communication style here at times needs to be strictly analytic and will not mold it into some social clique belief. I like the saying grammar Nazi's as a joke because you just got to come in a post and point out my communication differences and not respect them for my own. You just have to learn how others communicate instead of demanding them to speak to your specific standards of practices. When your ready for a bit of education just let me know and I can even spend some time privately.


ci, you chased off HerrGrimm! That is no easy thing to do my friend! :lol: :lol: :lol:

You were dodging and weaving like a ninja back there. It was a wonder to behold. Well played sir, well played!


I was on my laptop and could only paste and copy on my big screen computer with the wireless mouse. I do not like wolves it is a mean face. So I did it kind of like with one hand tied behind my back. Well I do not know the person and claims not to be a pride-mite. So what is the story their. I thought what the person said was funny about delusions. When you can make jokes about yourself it is healthy. Unless it was no joke.

I could end this post with a fart joke!


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28 Jun 2011, 12:08 am

Do it!



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28 Jun 2011, 12:13 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3znWZj-x9U[/youtube]

Some say someone is talking and it's coming from the horses mouth. Well even if there is no horse there and it is considered valued communication there are other kinds of communication best said as coming from the horses rear. Laugh Snort


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28 Jun 2011, 12:19 am

ci wrote:
I think when you speak to people with autism and demand they communicate in your specific style especially when you claim to be one you ought to think about what you talking about yourself. If you have certain questions I will clarify something and hell you might find yourself just a bit educated but to realize that might just require some humility. Yet my communication style here at times needs to be strictly analytic and will not mold it into some social clique belief. I like the saying grammar Nazi's as a joke because you just got to come in a post and point out my communication differences and not respect them for my own. You just have to learn how others communicate instead of demanding them to speak to your specific standards of practices. When your ready for a bit of education just let me know and I can even spend some time privately.



I type better then I speak......and I have to put extra effort into understanding my brother and sister sometimes because they talk really fast which does not sit well with my low processing speed. Point is everyone has their way of communicating but sometimes both have to make an effort to understand. Like when I cannot figure out what my siblings are saying I might have to ask them to repeat it more slowly but as a rule I am able to make myself understand.



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28 Jun 2011, 12:20 am

Like the auction people selling stuff.


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28 Jun 2011, 12:25 am

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Some say someone is talking and it's coming from the horses mouth. Well even if there is no horse there and it is considered valued communication there are other kinds of communication best said as coming from the horses rear. Laugh Snort


I appreciate your humor more and more all the time!



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28 Jun 2011, 1:18 am

ci wrote:
I think when you speak to people with autism and demand they communicate in your specific style especially when you claim to be one you ought to think about what you talking about yourself. If you have certain questions I will clarify something and hell you might find yourself just a bit educated but to realize that might just require some humility. Yet my communication style here at times needs to be strictly analytic and will not mold it into some social clique belief. I like the saying grammar Nazi's as a joke because you just got to come in a post and point out my communication differences and not respect them for my own. You just have to learn how others communicate instead of demanding them to speak to your specific standards of practices. When your ready for a bit of education just let me know and I can even spend some time privately.


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That is not very diplomatic nor does it present you, or your case, in a positive light.

I think the sentiments that you post here refer to your own situation rather than mine.

Do you think that you are representing this community in a positive light by accusing anybody who questions your sweeping statements (which not only lack evidence but also are delivered in an incomprihensible manner) with a lack of humility?

Please do not consider yourself an Ambassador, if anything I suspect that you are an agent provaceur of some kind.

Good day sir.