Should eradicating autism be a hate crime?

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You should study more. You still don't understand vaccines.

Yes! And make it a 'video response' to the Autism Speaks videos.

I agree!

and when you have a wound that needs a tetnus shot, remember to refuse one. Oh, yeah and my friend that had polio back in the 50's (and didn't die) still drags around her useless left leg in a brace and those nifty metal crutches that clasp at the forearm. so make sure there is no jab about that one. I have had measles and mumps and chickenpox and was only suffering and misshapen and had a high fever for a few weeks all told, so not a real problem.

Merle

I hope that you let your future kids get vaccinations if they want them. If you don't, you better not let them around anyone with a vaccine-preventable disease.

Still off on a tangent topic

Regarding Lekiwi and her choices: As much as we would like people to see the reason in vaccination, there will always be those who refuse. I wrote in an earlier post that I have known some parents who refuse to vaccinate their children and Jehovah's witnesses who refuse blood transfusions. These people refuse to budge. There is also a person in Toronto, who, for religious reasons, refuses to wear a motor cycle helmet because it interferes with his symbolic headwear. Now he is endangering himself, and if he crashes, he will surely die.

People who choose to risk the lives of themselves and loved ones should be required to sign a sort of owners risk and keep it on their persons in case their choices cause them irreparable damage. In this way, if something happens, they have only themselves to blame and can never seek restitution for having made unwise choices, though I am not certain how this would be enforced. But society should not have to care for those who take extreme health risks (though, I am sure I would be compassionate anyway ).

Best of luck to those who will surely need it.

Interesting post, satresue.

You have to bear in mind that someone who does not wear a crash helmet endangers only themselves.

Someone who selfishly refuses to vaccinate endangers not only themselves, but everyone else.

Maybe if they were not only required to carry their "I am a liability" document around, but should be required to carry their own recirculating air supply and be sealed within a suitable virus resistant enclosure, whenever they might come near responsible persons? That would of course increase their protection from diseases considerably, so I am sure they would welcome it.

In emergency situations, such as their air supply system malfunctioning, they could be merely required to sport a large sign, clearly showing a message to the effect that they are high risk for infection and may already be a carrier. A sign readable from 50 yards should be adequate.

Tetanus shots are effective for between 30 and 50 years, and the infection itself is rarely found these days. It lives in certain kinds of dirt, as far as I'm aware. Perhaps I'd consider one if we were in a high-risk tropical area where it's known to be endemic, but that would be the only circumstance. After the tetanus jab I couldn't move my arm for three weeks.

I have an uncle who had polio, he now has a slight limp. I know what it can do, but I also know the vaccine can do and the way I figure it it's a case of what's the lesser of the two evils. I opt for constantly bolstering the immune system so it can fight off any potential infection, utilising whatever is available to help alleviate and cure it in the extremely unlikely chance I or someone I know gets it, and just assuming they won't as it's so rare these days.

As for the rest... I don't understand why people would want to vaccinate against chicken pox. It's a childhood disease everyone gets - you get itchy for a few days, bit of a fever while your body fights it, and away you go. You must think us truly medieval to be actually taking our children to VISIT those who have it so they can get it while they're young - gasp - natural immunity?!

Mumps; yeap, had that too. Swollen neck, swollen glands, fever, bit miserable for a few days... nothing major really, just another childhood illness.

And Rubella? Yes yes yes, count me in. Bit spotty, bit feverish, kept indoors in the dark for a week or so, nothing too bad. In fact, my entire school got it, and near all of us had been immunised. You hear of this happening alot. Vaccines don't seem to really do much except put lots of money into the pockets of one of the most insidious, evil industries in the world. Hmm.



Beau - why would I let them around anyone with a nasty infection (bar chicken pox, as per mentioned above)?? I'm not stupid; if there's something particularly horrible going around school or somewhere they're likely to visit frequently then they'll be kept home from there. No problem. Not that you should be worried anyway - yours will be vaccinated anyway, so there'll be no problem for them, right?

If they opt for vaccinations when they're older, then that's up to them. But while they're living under my roof that won't be happening. You speak of it as if it's a religion, rather than an important health choice for medication some people actually don't want...

nope, sorry, I was effectively sterilized when I had my out of wedlock child in an mental institution. They didn't want to take any chances I was going to breed.

So you might imagine how I feel about FORCEABLE anything, dear.

Merle

The side effect rate of the polio vaccine is considerably lower than other vaccines, which aren't very high themselves.

This doesn't prevent you from getting diseases though.


Chickenpox is nasty stuff, especially when you're older. I got it in 6th grade. Almost died. I wish I was vaccinated against it. Now I have to worry about shingles, which is even worse than chickenpox.

People carry viruses without knowing it. School isn't the only place where things like this happen.


But what if they tell you they want them when they're living in your house? I'd oblige if I were you, but that's just me...

I'm not vaccinated because my body is unable to properly and safely accept vaccination and because of that I somkehow am threatening every one who is vaccinated huh? if anything all of you are a threat to me.

1. Vaccines ARE 100 percent effective
2. Vaccines ARE guarenteed not to do any harm
3. There are NO ingredients that are toxic
4. The chemical companies actually LOSE on vaccines, especially since the thiomersal was taken out

Your argument is totally reliant on how the vaccines are used, and that's not the fault of the vaccines. It's the fault of the doctors who administer them and sometimes don't look after the kids. In the US I've heard horror stories of how some doctors insist on administering a new vaccine when the child is sick. Is that the vaccine's fault? The way you're talking it is - and that's a lot of bull.

Toxicity is non existant - again if the vaccines are used PROPERLY!

And the chemical companies have to provide free vaccines for those who can't afford it and yet have to have them. Completely destroys any profit they may have made otherwise.

In other words - as I said. All four taken care of.

So you have no excuses, Le Kiwi. Vaccinate.

again, TLPG, your signature line is so ironic to your message, I just burst into laughter.

(sorry, but it just strikes me funny to advertise it's ok for people to do what they do but then argue that they should do something else.)

Merle

You forgot the caveat, Merle! Le Kiwi is a threat to him/herself and others in an almost criminal manner, so that is an exception to the "rule" (my signature).

They're guaranteed, which is why many insurance companies have vaccination disclaimers...?? And why they won't guarantee it? And they don't have side effects, which is why they list known side effects? And they're 100% effective, which explains why so many schools have outbreaks of 'vaccine-preventable' diseases amongst their vaccinated populations? Yeah, sure...


Again, bolstering the immune system doesn't mean they won't get the disease - uhhh, yeah, it can do. It also means that if they DO get something their body's natural defences can fight it off on their own (perhaps with the help of paracetamol or something too, I don't shun all drugs).

Chickenpox should be a childhood disease - the only reason people are getting it older is because they aren't getting it young anymore thanks to the fear perpetuated about shingles. I don't know of a single case of shingles, in fact I'd never heard of it till I came across the vaccine propaganda for it, and I also don't know a single person who had chicken pox older than the age of 7. Everyone gets it because parents make sure they get it when they're young. If you get it in childhoood, as you should do, then it doesn't cause any problems except a bit of itching and a fever. In the scheme of things that's nothing.

And yeap, people carry viruses, that's why we have immune systems. If they're working properly and you aren't eating a diet consisting of immune-wasting crap then you should be ok most of the time. If you aren't, there's various things you can take to help you, both natural and man-made. If you're a carrier, chances are you won't ever get the disease unless you've got extremely low immunity at a moment in time.

If my kids want them while they're in my house then that's too bad, they won't be getting them. I object to the scaremongering aimed at young children about them very strongly - when my younger brother came home in tears saying he was going to die because he didn't get a particular vaccine that hadn't been tested that his classmates all got, we ended up having our GP go to the school and explain to the children that it didn't mean anyone would or would not die, and warn the teachers about the damage that kind of crap propaganda can cause in a young child. If my children get that same 'you're gonna die' BS and want to be vaccinated I'll simply say no, explain why, give them the information on their terms, reassure them they'll be fine, and leave it at that. You don't generally give in to the demands (demands, not requests) of a child on much else just because they want something, so why would this be any different?

But you are bringing them all back, but your selfishness.


I can't resist quoting the signature: "The plural of anecdote is NOT data."


No. Because vaccines do not guarantee immunity. The prevent pandemics. The more people you get to be as callous as you are, not immunizing, the higher the risk of infection from your "Typhoid Marys". In fact, you are stating that you intend your children to be exactly that, as you will "build up their natural immunity" so that they can carry infection far and wide, before succumbing to it themselves.


True colours? You'll kick them out if they show any intelligence?