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31 Jan 2009, 1:05 pm

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Most of the things that they would injure themselves on are built by NT society. :)
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Most of the things that are around YOU are build by NT society. So what? You suggest that all autistic should be taken into jungles and left there alone? or to the desert?
I think someone here should stop hallucinating and imaginging that there is such a thing that NT society and not NT society. THERE IS ONLY ONE SOCIETY, OK? And every person have only ONE life and only one chance. And it DOES NOT MATTER who build cars, trains and electricity cables. BTW, in other topic some crazier autistic claim that aspergers build everything, but I do not give a damn about this. Why the hell it matters at all?
I am now leaving this discussion, because my opponent have become too infantile and childish and they began suggesting that there could be other -non-NT world, sort of.. that if you put all the autistic together - they will sort of make up their own society. Wake up, people, there is no such thing as special accosiation and kindredship between autistic. autistic love each other not more than they love anybody else. Go to the topic of the support meetings for aspies. Even Aspies can hardly tolerate each other. they come back from those meeting depressed, because IT IS DAMN DEPRESSING to be in the company of autistic, even if you are autistic.
Ok, I am tired of beating common sence into the brains of people who prefere childish opposition to a sound discussion.



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31 Jan 2009, 1:30 pm

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Its only a deprivation if he knows about it.

I guess, that explains the rest of your point of view. You suggest that being institutionalized and living like a vegetable an adult autiscit will have no idea of what he is deprived of, and therefore will not be deprived of anything. No more questions, sir.

If you are going to attempt to extrapolate, learn how to do it properly :)



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31 Jan 2009, 1:32 pm

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Its only a deprivation if he knows about it.

I guess, that explains the rest of your point of view. You suggest that being institutionalized and living like a vegetable an adult autiscit will have no idea of what he is deprived of, and therefore will not be deprived of anything. No more questions, sir.

If you are going to attempt to extrapolate, learn how to do it properly :)


If you use the word "extrapolate", go, look it up in the dictionary first. :lol:



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31 Jan 2009, 1:36 pm

I think a cure for autism (especially LFA) could be a good thing (depending on what they mean by "cure").

But I think it's a terrible idea to take a couple of autistic kids to Mexico to have some doctor experiment on them by squirting stem cells into their brains. :evil:


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31 Jan 2009, 1:36 pm

Naturella wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
Most of the things that they would injure themselves on are built by NT society. :)
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Most of the things that are around YOU are build by NT society. So what? You suggest that all autistic should be taken into jungles and left there alone? or to the desert?

No, I am saying society needs to be rethought from the ground up.
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I think someone here should stop hallucinating and imaginging that there is such a thing that NT society and not NT society.
THERE IS ONLY ONE SOCIETY, OK?

There is one society out there and at present its not like we are included in it at all.
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And every person have only ONE life and only one chance.

Some of us get one life and no chance.
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And it DOES NOT MATTER who build cars, trains and electricity cables. BTW, in other topic some crazier autistic claim that aspergers build everything, but I do not give a damn about this. Why the hell it matters at all?

It matters if we are to construct a new society, or to edit the existing one.
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I am now leaving this discussion, because my opponent have become too infantile and childish and they began suggesting that there could be other -non-NT world, sort of.. that if you put all the autistic together - they will sort of make up their own society. Wake up, people, there is no such thing as special accosiation and kindredship between autistic. autistic love each other not more than they love anybody else. Go to the topic of the support meetings for aspies. Even Aspies can hardly tolerate each other. they come back from those meeting depressed, because IT IS DAMN DEPRESSING to be in the company of autistic, even if you are autistic.
Ok, I am tired of beating common sence into the brains of people who prefere childish opposition to a sound discussion.

What a cop-out...



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31 Jan 2009, 1:43 pm

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Please remove or reword this, Kangoogle, it is not permissable to call other people names on WrongPlanet.net.

I see that you are new here. Welcome.

Please read the rules about posting here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt12459.html

Thanks. :D


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31 Jan 2009, 1:46 pm

Kangoogle wrote:
It matters if we are to construct a new society, or to edit the existing one.


What???? this is just crazy....
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What a moron...


I think here you showed your true face.



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31 Jan 2009, 1:50 pm

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No, I am saying society needs to be rethought from the ground up

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Ah.. yeah, I forgot to wish you good luck with "rethinking" the society. (PS: don't use the word "extrapolate" in your thinking, unless you already looked it up in the dictionary).



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31 Jan 2009, 2:40 pm

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Well that is a problem with society mistreating our people, as ever. You miss the point that the only cure is changing society, not ourselves.


Kangoogle you have a way of saying things like no one else can. Such as this here quote. I find many of your posts brilliant. Not that you are saying anything new. It is the way you say it. Just straight to the point. Sometimes I really do cry when I read what you say because I wish I could say it the way you do and I have the same passion you do but not the same way to articulate it. I truly believe you speak for many of us, perhaps the majority of us here on the spectrum..

But when you call someone a moron--and I realize you are new to WP--this is not allowed.

Please don't get yourself booted. I really appreciate your posts. Damn, I love reading your posts more than anyone else's. Because you nail it every time.

So I'm asking you please, abide by the rules. I would really miss you if you got banned and I would wail and whine about it and that is not allowed either..so have mercy on me.. please do not get yourself banned.



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31 Jan 2009, 2:46 pm

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...But I think it's a terrible idea to take a couple of autistic kids to Mexico to have some doctor experiment on them by squirting stem cells into their brains. :evil:


I don't see the point of injecting stem cells into their brains either. Fully viable pleuripotent neural progenitor cells already exist in the brain of every human being their entire lives. Why add more? Why would adding more of the same produce a different result? What would be the scientific rationale? Injecting more "cerebrum cells" to see if these kids will become smarter, or more "cerebellar cells" to see if they will become more coordinated would be equally pointless. Is this a medical neurologist, a real one, with an MD/PhD degree, with a career in research and a proven career track record?

Further, injecting foreign stem cells into the brain would likely provoke an immune response, with concomitant inflammation, cellular damage, possible auto-immune response and damage, and consequential neurological damage such as formation of beta-amyloid plaque, etc.

Valid research exploring the possibility of "waking up" existing pleuripotent neural progenitor cells that are "lying dormant" is underway in various experiments, which will reveal any benefit (and any adverse or abnormal reactions that may result) in various neurological disorders.

Injecting foreign stem cells into the brains of autistic children without conducting rigorous preliminary research, or without even waiting to see the results of existing pleuripotent neural progenitor cell research, is unethical - at least. Unprofessional, irresponsible, careless, and criminal also leap to mind!



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31 Jan 2009, 2:57 pm

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Kangoogle wrote:
What a moron...


Please remove or reword this, Kangoogle, it is not permissable to call other people names on WrongPlanet.net.

I see that you are new here. Welcome.

Please read the rules about posting here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt12459.html

Thanks. :D

Is my rephrasing acceptable?



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31 Jan 2009, 3:02 pm

Kangoogle, good on you and thanks.



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31 Jan 2009, 3:08 pm

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Well that is a problem with society mistreating our people, as ever. You miss the point that the only cure is changing society, not ourselves.


Kangoogle you have a way of saying things like no one else can. Such as this here quote. I find many of your posts brilliant. Not that you are saying anything new. It is the way you say it. Just straight to the point. Sometimes I really do cry when I read what you say because I wish I could say it the way you do and I have the same passion you do but not the same way to articulate it. I truly believe you speak for many of us, perhaps the majority of us here on the spectrum..

But when you call someone a moron--and I realize you are new to WP--this is not allowed.

Please don't get yourself booted. I really appreciate your posts. Damn, I love reading your posts more than anyone else's. Because you nail it every time.

So I'm asking you please, abide by the rules. I would really miss you if you got banned and I would wail and whine about it and that is not allowed either..so have mercy on me.. please do not get yourself banned.

I guess that's many years of mathematical training for you, they really do teach people how to be concise. My style was not always like this, it took a few years (inadvertently) to get here.

Tbh, I doubt I will be banned anytime soon. If I do then there are other sites on which I can be found :)



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31 Jan 2009, 3:39 pm

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Is this website a joke???

1. man pretending to be tough by wearing a bandana, and using either a really crappy cigar, or a fake one.
2. Religious nuts.
3. Bad slogans "Lets knock out Autism" (coupled with another bad photo of this man, showing his fist)
4. The bad fire and brimstone red with lightening bolts and a child to symbolize that autism is "hell"
5. The ad for a New York Bail Bond company at the very bottom.
6. The page is titled "donations" when you look at the very top of you browser, so that we'll subconsciously think to donate to their misguided "cause"
7. Check out the guestbook for the most blurry image you will ever see, and not one guestbook entry.

This page is hilarious! I can't stop laughing.


No one else finds the page hilarious???



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31 Jan 2009, 3:45 pm

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31 Jan 2009, 3:59 pm

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I'm not going to sit here, and let creeps like you...


This topic has become sort-of silly, but despite that, you aren't allowed to call other posters names. Please edit your post to remove that. Thanks. :D


Why don't you tell Silvervarg to edit his post to remove the part where he implies that autistics who can't speak aren't persons, but are animals.:
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Becouse we don't know! They are struggeling to communicate our way, that is not their way. From what you're saying we can in the same breath say that being a dog sucks, becouse they can't talk to us.