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09 Feb 2009, 9:54 am

CNN) -- When Julian Asher listens to an orchestra, he doesn't just hear music; he also sees it. The sounds of a violin make him see a rich burgundy color, shiny and fluid like a red wine, while a cello's music flows like honey in a golden yellow hue.

Julian Asher, genetics researcher and amateur photographer, can see colors in response to sounds. Asher, a researcher in the department of genomic medicine at Imperial College London, has a rare condition called synesthesia, a neurological condition in which people experience a mixing of their senses. People with the condition may see colors and movement in numbers, words or sounds.

As many as 1 percent of people have the most recognizable form of synesthesia, studies say. Acclaimed Russian-American author Vladimir Nabokov, who wrote "Lolita," famously had the disorder, as did physicist Richard Feynman and composer Franz Liszt.

"Since a subtle interaction exists between sound and shape, I see q as browner than k, while s is not the light blue of c, but a curious mixture of azure and mother-of-pearl," Nabokov wrote in his memoir "Speak, Memory."

Psychologists have known for more than a century that synesthesia runs in families -- Nabokov's mother and son Dimitri also displayed forms of it -- but the specific genes have not been found.

Now, Asher and colleagues in the United Kingdom have done what they say is the first genetic analysis of synesthesia. Their findings are published this week in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

Researchers collected DNA from 196 people from 43 families in which there were multiple members with synesthesia. They looked exclusively at auditory-visual synesthesia, the kind where sound triggers color, which is easier to diagnose than other possible forms. Visit CNNhealth.com, your connection for better living

They expected to find a single gene responsible for synesthesia, but they found that the condition was linked to regions on chromosomes 2, 5, 6, and 12 -- four distinct areas instead of one.

"It means that the genetics of synesthesia are much more complex than we thought," Asher said.

Brain scans have shown that people with synesthesia seem to have "cross-wiring" between brain regions, said V.S. Ramachandran, director of the Center for Brain and Cognition at the University of California, San Diego.

"Nobody really had the evidence pinning it down to specific genes in specific chromosomes, and I'm delighted to hear somebody's done that," Ramachandran said.

"Cross-wiring" was shown in a study led by J.A. Nunn at Goldsmiths College, London, which found that the visual areas of the brain were activated in response to sound in people for whom sound triggers color.

Given that a normal infant's brain has excess connections between brain regions, one hypothesis is that synesthesia results when the genes that "prune" these connections away are mutated, Ramachandran said. In other words, people with synesthesia may have brain connections that would normally disappear at an early age.

Genes found in the areas of Asher's study have been connected to other mental disorders. For example, genes on chromosome 2 have also been linked to autism, Asher said.

The link between synesthesia and autism is controversial and speculative, but one of Asher's previous case studies suggests a connection. The man he examined had Asperger's syndrome -- a mild, high-functioning form of autism -- and also had an extraordinary memory capacity for numbers. In fact, he memorized 22,000 digits of the number pi.

The man's process of remembering these numbers is not simple rote recall. Instead, it is as though he were navigating a landscape, Asher said. "He says it's like walking along a path," Asher said.

The man's ability to focus intently on a dry subject is associated with Asperger's, but it's also synesthesia that helps him memorize numbers, Asher said. In fact, in this sense, synesthesia is a form of photographic memory.

One suggestion is that synesthesia and autism in a single person may make him or her a savant, someone with a singular and extreme intellectual ability.

Children with synesthesia will often show signs of it in school, because it slows down reading for some kids and makes lectures difficult to absorb for others. As awareness of learning differences grows in schools, more children are coming forward and explaining that they have trouble, leading to more diagnoses, Asher said. Interventions may include written notes or books on tape for those whose synesthesia interferes with, respectively, listening or reading.

To what extent do children with synesthesia grow up to become artists and poets? The connection is controversial, in spite of prominent examples such as Nabokov, Asher said it's a misconception that most synesthetes go into creative disciplines. His database of 900 people with the condition does not have a disproportionate number in artistic professions.

In Asher's own case, nonverbal noises such as a fire alarm or a piece of music will trigger visual sensations.

When he was a child, Asher would go to the symphony with his parents and assumed that the lights went down so that everyone could see the colors better. "I mean, why else would they do it?" he said.

"My parents asked something, and I said, 'Oh, they turned the lights off so you could see the colors,' and they had no idea what I was talking about, and that's when I realized that they didn't see what I saw," he said.

He never knew that his condition had a name until he happened to be researching the genetics of perfect pitch, which has been anecdotally linked with synesthesia.

"Even to this day, I'll run into people who study neuroscience for a living, and they've never heard of it," he said. There are organizations that promote awareness, but still a lot of people don't know about it, he said.


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09 Feb 2009, 11:25 am

I wonder if this is similar: I can taste some colors. For example, the color red is robust, spicy, and sweet.


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09 Feb 2009, 12:05 pm

Maditude wrote:
I wonder if this is similar: I can taste some colors. For example, the color red is robust, spicy, and sweet.


If I am not mistaken that is another form of synesthesia I think but you should go check for yourself k ^_^

Anyways isn't it odd that those with autism are more likely to have synesthesia, or epilepsy or both? Perhaps it is because of the mini columns in our brains are different that allows synesthesia and epilepsy to happen more to us than others. It would make sense since mini columns are the relay circuits in the brain ^_^



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09 Feb 2009, 3:10 pm

Well, it's all very interesting, but I really don't understand why it's called a disorder. Can it be so severe that it inhibits functioning? That is usual in something defined as a disorder, isn't it?

I have mild synesthesia but I really couldn't say how it affects me because I've always been this way. That's the trouble with our personal wiring. We can't really compare it with anyone else's. For example, I frequently type a word that is completely different from the one I intend to, but that starts with the same letter, or add a common ending such as "ing" that I was not thinking of to the word. Why do I do this? No idea. It's getting to be a nuisance with me writing more, but for all I know it's common.

I also used to think that everyone associated a particular color with letters and numbers. Do my eyes actually see these colors as I look at this screen? No, they don't. But if I look at each word, I know it's a certain color. I tend to recall words and names based upon their colors instead of their meanings, where I heard them, or what person or place they are associated with. I am only just seeing that this is the case in recent years, and that I've always been this way. It's tricky, in that I mix up words that are similar colors with no other apparent connection.

But without that outside reference that I simply cannot have, it's taken almost 35 years to work it out. We all have this stuff. Why do I remember what I thought about what I saw, but not what I actually saw? Why do I say "battery" when I mean "vitamin"? (They aren't the same colors to me, not even close. Maybe it's the rhythm)

So I guess what I'm wondering is, first of all, how severe can this be? Do those with synesthesia actually see, with their very eyes, the colors? Or does mine count, the mere association of color? It certainly counts in my head.

Second question is, in light of the sheer number of curious and unusual associations and processes (recalling the observation but not having observed, mixing J words up with T words due to color, writing the wrong words or the wrong form of it) is it in fact that autistics frequently have it, or is it a part of autism itself to have these curious links?

And what's up with calling it a disorder? It sounds very cool to see music. I perceive texture in music (which I think is normal, what with terms like legato and staccato to describe ways of creating sound), but I've never seen color that I can recall.

For what it's worth, I am a writer, poet, and artist but am not at all savant.

On looking back, I see that you just made my point already, only faster. Heh. Well, then, I agree!


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24 Feb 2009, 1:22 pm

irishwhistle wrote:
Well, it's all very interesting, but I really don't understand why it's called a disorder. Can it be so severe that it inhibits functioning? That is usual in something defined as a disorder, isn't it?


It is a disorder because it is disorderly compared to normal function. It is not normal for a person to function in that way.



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24 Feb 2009, 1:27 pm

Maditude wrote:
I wonder if this is similar: I can taste some colors. For example, the color red is robust, spicy, and sweet.


I get that too, just by looking at something I can know how it would taste. I can also taste things in the air around me somewhat.

If someone packages a food product properly, using colours right, with no mention of taste, I can get a good idea of what it would taste like, certain colours have certain tastes, and the blending of colours affects that. Normaly I am quite accurate with taste. Although I was pleasently surprised when Brio didn't taste like its packaging suggested, and if I had poured it into a glass, I would have been better able to determine the taste. It is a beautiful spiced rooty tasting beverage. Also note that my sense of smell is fairly weak.



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24 Feb 2009, 5:00 pm

Well I'm just now finding out about synaesthesia, and that I have quite an unusual form of it. Yes it does tend to be hereditary.



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26 Feb 2009, 2:59 am

so those perfect pitch ads in guitar magazines are legit?



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26 Feb 2009, 9:14 pm

V3N0M wrote:
so those perfect pitch ads in guitar magazines are legit?


Perfect pitch ads?


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04 Aug 2009, 12:05 am

I am in shock...I have told very few people about this, most of which say, "Yeah Riiiight".

Truth is i was a lighting guy for quite some time at a high profile theater and lighting directors inevitably would ask where I studied, to there amazement, I would reply, nowhere, other than right here at the school of hard knocks.

As a rule, when one goes to listen to a symphony, there is no lighting agenda other than "All White". Well to keep myself from falling asleep, I would subtly play.
The conductor called for me after one of these episodes, and told me "I don't know where you studied music, but I must find out, because you are the only one in tune with me on that stage.
From there on out, I had carte blanche to "play along". On occasionally at bows, he point up to me at the back of the auditorium, not once did the audience realize what he was pointing to, because the subtleties where in tune enough to where they did not know the stage actually went from warm to cool at times, with an occasional timpani accompaniment. The oddest thing that ever happened was when the first violin came up too me after the show, and said "thank for covering my ass". This is grumpy bitty of church lady whom never talks too anyone.
I had some wonderful career offers along the way, all of which required going on the road and living amongst people - needless to say.....

I got unusual compliments like these regularly, but I really don't do compliments, and certainly didn't want to tell him I could hear the conductor's arms, and see the feelings in the music.

This is a Very Cool Thread.

Thank you sinsboldly for the post - I have new (old) obsession - (regurgitated) :lol:



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04 Sep 2010, 9:47 pm

I was diagnosed with epilepsy as a child, and aspergers as an adult. it was not untill after the aspergers diagnosis did I begin learning about synaesthesia in the context of my sensory problems. Julian Asher's research has given me explanation for the combination of symptoms I get - I have all three.

Epilepsy : Right temporal lobe involvement- absence and generalised
Synaesthesia : Sensory problems - auditory/tactile
Aspergers : prosopagnosia, social anxiety

Though the aspergers is generally understood as genetic, the link to epilepsy and synaesthesia as related genetic disorders answered SO many questions which I have been pursuing all my life.

The form of Synaesthesia I experience is not the common forms discussed previously in the thread. I experience a tactile sensation when overwhelmed by too many auditory inputs or sudden starteling noises which can literally "knock me off balance" - if it's really bad there is some visual involvement, (but not seeing beautiful colour while listening to music - nothing like that), when I am too overwhelmed to filter the sounds I am hearing, they all sound like one confusing noise, then I get dizzy, there is a physical sensation felt in my body which is hard to describe (confused nervouse sensation like putting your hand suddenly in very hot or cold water and not knowing which it is) and I may see a blast of blinding white light - really it's kind of like being hit on the head and "seeing stars" from the barage of auditory demands I have to manage.



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04 Sep 2010, 9:49 pm

artical about Julian Asher and synaesthesia research at oxford university

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08 Sep 2010, 10:29 pm

I just want to add to these posts something about me. I have never thought too much about Synaesthesia (I think it's spelled right) as a condition related to my AS. When I was a very young child (even before entering school) I would listen to my grandmother play the piano. When she would hit high notes (at the highest octave range) I saw grapes. So...the highest notes on the piano have always been grapes to me. And when she hit the lowest bass range of notes, I saw a wood-burning heater. There are some other examples like this for me. But I just wanted to add these two.


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