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30 Sep 2011, 8:34 am

Given that the media has gotten on the bandwagon alluding to some form of autism and since Assange has proclaimed himself 'a little autistic' I think it's relevant to discuss him here: What do you think of him? What do you think of his critics? What do you think of the charges? Personally, I want to flex my debating muscles.



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30 Sep 2011, 9:27 am

He's my hero.



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30 Sep 2011, 10:19 am

i like him and dont think he is guilty of selling secrets at all.all the information he has leaked is not stuff that is seriously clasified.if he leaked movements of troups in afganistan in actual time,he would be a murderer.if he leaked covert agent names who are behind enemy lines then he would be a murderer.if those things actualy happened he would have been arrested or assasinated a long time ago.nothing he has ever leaked was any diferent then what robert novak or luis libby did.all they got him on was purgury.i think jullien assange is a resonsably journalist


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30 Sep 2011, 10:55 am

Meh...

Every person who sees itself as being just a little bit shy says "I'm a little autistic" now a days. It's kind of like a buz-word.

I agree with the poster above. He didn't leak anything strictly secret. Just let people in on some diplomatic and military chatter. The international reaction was more of a scare for nosy people.
He got to much media attention.



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30 Sep 2011, 1:35 pm

I am bothered by the rape allegations. The media and governments like to depose leaders and discredit public figures by creating a sex scandal. It's a cheap way to take down whistle blowers. Sometimes there's truth in the matter, but this might be a lot of theater.



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30 Sep 2011, 7:33 pm

we always get blamed for everything.



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01 Oct 2011, 5:03 am

Well so far the feelings about Assange have either been positive or downright untrusting of the allegations made against him. I personally feel the allegations are motivated by a sense of revenge and conspiracy. Apparently Assange is being accused of rape because he didn't use a condom when he was 'involved' with the lady, but she did consent to protected sex. But how does not using a condom make something rape if she still acquiesced? There were no other witnesses (You would think) and it's pretty hard to have sex without noticing when someone's putting a condom on.

This is equatable to accusing someone of causing fatal food poisoning because they didn't wash their hands despite the fact that the overseer present must have been close enough to see whether he needed to or not when no one has actually known to have died at all. It's just banking on uncertainty, a grey area to be exploited. One of the girls also posted a list of ways to get revenge on someone.

To quote an oft made swedish joke: You have to get written permission in that country.



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01 Oct 2011, 10:49 am

as far as the rape charge,with all the celebrities that have been accused and vindicated of rape recently.im sceptical,however as much as i like jullien if he raped someone he should go to jail.


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01 Oct 2011, 11:38 am

aspie48 wrote:
we always get blamed for everything.


That is because we can't get along too well with NTs, but also I figure rumors are going around that Autism Speaks are the ones that are taking the side step in this mess making us look bad.



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01 Oct 2011, 11:38 am

aspie48 wrote:
we always get blamed for everything.


That is because we can't get along too well with NTs, but also I figure rumors are going around that Autism Speaks are the ones that are taking the side step in this mess making us look bad.



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01 Oct 2011, 1:49 pm

Jeffrey228 wrote:
aspie48 wrote:
we always get blamed for everything.


That is because we can't get along too well with NTs, but also I figure rumors are going around that Autism Speaks are the ones that are taking the side step in this mess making us look bad.

specifically what did autism speaks do?



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02 Oct 2011, 5:12 am

vermontsavant wrote:
as far as the rape charge,with all the celebrities that have been accused and vindicated of rape recently.im sceptical,however as much as i like jullien if he raped someone he should go to jail.

Agreed. Although I am sure the prosecution will hope to even exploit that if.



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02 Oct 2011, 5:38 am

Gedrene wrote:
Well so far the feelings about Assange have either been positive or downright untrusting of the allegations made against him. I personally feel the allegations are motivated by a sense of revenge and conspiracy. Apparently Assange is being accused of rape because he didn't use a condom when he was 'involved' with the lady, but she did consent to protected sex. But how does not using a condom make something rape if she still acquiesced? There were no other witnesses (You would think) and it's pretty hard to have sex without noticing when someone's putting a condom on.

This is equatable to accusing someone of causing fatal food poisoning because they didn't wash their hands despite the fact that the overseer present must have been close enough to see whether he needed to or not when no one has actually known to have died at all. It's just banking on uncertainty, a grey area to be exploited. One of the girls also posted a list of ways to get revenge on someone.

To quote an oft made swedish joke: You have to get written permission in that country.


According to her own words from the police report:

They had had consensual sex several times, she had invited him to stay at her flat, they started consensual foreplay. She wanted to reach for a condom but he was on top of her holding her arms, she panicked but at no point spoke to ask him to stop, she squeezed him with her legs to stop him from penetrating her without a condom on, he stopped and asked her what was wrong, she asked him to put a condom on, he did and they then had consensual sex.

Afterwards he continued to stay at her flat with her permission and they had more consensual sex. It was only after she found out he had slept with someone else from the conference where they met that she decided to make the accusation of rape.

The Swedish prosecutor originally dismissed the case only for a different prosecutor to resurrect the charges.


Several feminists have come out publicly and stated the whole affair makes a mockery of rape victims.



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02 Oct 2011, 2:39 pm

aspie48 wrote:
Jeffrey228 wrote:
aspie48 wrote:
we always get blamed for everything.


That is because we can't get along too well with NTs, but also I figure rumors are going around that Autism Speaks are the ones that are taking the side step in this mess making us look bad.

specifically what did autism speaks do?

Promoting harsh treatments that currently Canada is trying to enforce, but also encouraging the reopening of Mentla Aslyums, the places they had opened back from the 1930s to 1970s, butr also I feel that such online groups like Anonymous/4Chan/Encyclopaedia Dramatica continue to put Autism as being bad and a threat to Humanity, something we have be worried about.



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08 Oct 2011, 12:07 pm

I'm no fan of his, but not because I see him as particularly dangerous. Rather, I see him as having an over-inflated ego, and I don't like his particular methods because it's like pouring a whole can of garbage on the doorstep of the police department and saying "I think there might be a stolen diamond ring in here." It's a nuisance.