Autism Abortion, Societal Judgements & Violence

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Autism Abortion, Societal Judgments & Violence

(with a tad bit of humor)

Introduction

Folks I do not personally know you. I've taken the time to kick some tail when needed on this forum to assure that when needed certain viewpoints were put in their respective places. Folks got the right to believe autism to be the next evolutionary leap, simply a difference and nothing more or any kind of idea not held by mainstream culture. It is my belief that some folks will bend reality to present clearly false ideas said as opinion to protect a point of view such as abortion and about that N.T concept and how they hate me and others. That does not mean to say the side they oppose does or does not lack fact. What ego politics do is get in the way at times of science and this unnecessary political correctness may evade truth or serve a special interest. What if for instance autism in some forms is caused by prenatal pollutions in the womb and while that would not make someone feel good it would if applicable result in a truth such as if it were to be from the China.

My autism is a disability. The autism I have is more of a barrier then it is a great thing for me. It is hard to separate autism and figure out what the hell that is if it were to be removed from me. I suppose I'd find aspects of myself to improve then I'd be able to like superman fly into the sky and save the world if a cure were developed. I've seen all the little political games played in the autism community at times and some of it is horse crap. Such a thick fog of manure including bull pooh to add to the mix and it makes the thinking air humid and taste funny.

So when folks say something like have pride in autism I'd like to talk to them. I'd like to say to them get a grip. But at the same time I understand their need to feel good about themselves. You take away the sensory overload and too much hyper-focusing and what you still have is me. A cure for autism does not mean removing my personality, a Nazi genocide and whatever else people come up with and expect me to believe as if I cannot think for myself. I greatly dislike peer pressure and am a damn rebel.

Autism Abortion, Societal Judgments & Political Violence

The N.T’s are coming, the N.T’s are coming and they are going to kill us all! I don’t like this N.T concept. Many times how it is described is just hateful and includes some really odd depictions at times. To me in my thinking brain the idea of thinking everyone around me is this N.T idea because I was diagnosed with a disability is senseless, not useful and can be counterproductive focusing to much on differences. So some folks want me to believe what they say about it because those folks labeled me and think of me as somehow inferior to how the so called normal people were born. Maybe they want me to accept the idea I’m not part of typical as well simply because I was diagnosed and born how it is that I am. Therefore many others deserved to be labeled as well and some call that N.T label 666 criteria.

I have witnessed recorded threats of violence toward this N.T label. So focused on differences and this idea of inferiority of oneself some folks begin hating the world around me. This is called anti-societal and when violence is expressed against N.T’s this is called criminalistics and sometimes terroristic. In context to prenatal testing some have made threats against the N.T’s as well even though it is perfectly legal to have abortions of people that are the N.T's. This is a result of the idea of rejection and philosophies of anti-prenatal-testing-genocide manifest as a way to fight back.

I will admit this world of ours can be superficial and autism costs folks money. Instead of threatening to harm other people why don’t these folks that make the threats get shunned and us rational other folk do something constructive. I believe in the idea of diversity. If innate diversity is judged to be a burden which cannot be assumed to be the fault of those born with a disability we must then show society difference has its place. Now the first thing I’d expect in reply is many people with autism work. My reply would be bull crap, horse you know what and chicken manure. Look at the statistics in California Regional Center’s about self-sufficiency and individuals with autism and other developmental disabilities. It’s not because we are lazy but because of many things aside from just being disabled or said as different.

In Conclusion

Try to get along with the world around you if you have problems with this N.T idea like I suspect of some of you. If you want to change the world for yourself and others with autism try not to treat the world around you as some horrible monster. Don’t assume some crap of an idea some redneck came up with about autism as if how everyone views it. Try to be positive and when some social barrier gets in your way as an advocate try to find a positive resolution and methodological approach. If other people caring about you in advocacy you do not participate in makes you upset then I’d suggest thinking about how you can be stronger then the emotions that make you want to hate that because a good self-esteem also means having the humility to be thankful that they bother in the first place.

Make the world your allies. Understand civil rights and other laws that already protect you as a person with disabilities if you live in a good country. Know your rights and use them to advance your own inclusive agenda and other individuals with developmental disabilities possibilities as well. When folks make threats and trash the made up N.T label it makes others with disabilities look bad. Enough with that sort of horse crap.

Nathan Young

i view it as a disability.there have been many days when i did wish i was never born,but i try not to be egocentric and push those feelings on others.im against autistic abortion but the asan has failed to speak out about other disabilities and abortion,so i see them as hypocrites.

I don't see why you feel you wish you were never born. That's like saying you wish you didn't like your favorite food so why bother eating. Depression understandably is a vulnerability. The abortion issue has it's problems. First off how can anyone say to a women they cannot abort a certain type of person but not another. I am a man so it's not like it's coming from between my legs but I'd be responsible for it being there in the first place and telling a lady oh by the way that thing that's going to cause all the pain (the baby) I force you to endure and this is in spite of the feel good episode of the love boat which I hope was as good for me as it was for you. Then some trash politically will call her a slut for wanting the activity without the consequences because online politics get that nasty.

If people with autism who are more prone to having children with autism, mostly guys, are telling the world by the way you got to have our babies or else your Nazis even indirectly by supporting such tall tale advocates then that is just as nasty of a politic. This issue is surrounded by very poor advocacy efforts whose public relations are so poorly undergone it's embarrassing. Not only is their a thick air of humid pooh in this politic and the taste of the air lasting but to have a similar opinion as them would entail certain social and political stereotypes. Also according to current law women can have an abortion and other disabilities are detected in the womb and are aborted due to this. The problem is not really abortion itself but the cultural mechanisms that come into play with regard to disability in society.

To value all people as created equal simply by breathing and thinking and to be equally part of society entails actually realizing this I'd suppose in day to day reality by including and perceiving disability as simply difference. Yet does difference receive the help it needs or must we be horrified as a society in order to garnish the help needed for those that cannot fit in and have reduced ability to compete in the mainstream world thus survive. To celebrate horrid ideas such as autism would be just as politically incorrect as to say to a persons face with autism the horrid portrayals to get folks attention.

To me, all it comes down to is this:

Abortion should be legal for any woman (up to a certain point obviously)

It should be solely her decision to make

Why she makes that decision should be entirely irrelevant (ie if she's concerned it might be autistic)

Yes but your avatar is of a dead person with a mask on that looks evil.

This issue needs to be separated from other issues in autism politics and obviously.

im not sure i get your analysis of my personal life.im not deppressed,i just said some days i wish i was born n.t,but i dont push this belief on others.im not trying to stop autistic abortion,they cant even diagnos it prenataly yet.the asan is against pre natal testing for that reason.they dont talk about other disabilities and abortion so i think there hypocrites.im not making a issue of roe v wade at this time

My attempt in reply is partly humor as the topic is of core conflict and devision. Should a test be developed there is also this statement. Why can a abortion of a so called N.T happen but not that of someone with a little bit of autism. Some anti-selective abortion advocates go as far as implying mild autism should not be aborted but those with severe autism should be genetically differentiated. Then it becomes a similar ethics issue as what was originally discovered. Very high functioning individuals with some genetic similarities are then judging more genuine manifestions of autism as not as worthy of life per say.

Are they implying they are more part of the perfect human idea?

i agree with that as well.thats why i cant take the asan seriously on pre natal testing because it lack integrety to one a.b is wrong and not all

" to one a.b is wrong and not all"

Can you please explain this again?

i just mean if you are going to be against pre natal testing because you dont want autistic abortion,but your not against all abortion than thats hypocritical.i personaly dont think overturning roe v wade would be hugely productive because young peope are to sexualy active today

I think it all started with the hippies.

Anybody who compares a cure or prenatal test for autism to the Nazis is a terrible person. By doing that, you're trivializing the deaths of 12+ million people by using them as a cheap way to add emotional oomph to your argument.

Yes that to. I'd recommend an entirely different strategy people focus on. One that increases inclusive potential and by doing so shows people what a person is like with ASD face to face. If inclusion is not done in the best possible of ways in public relations people will end up excluded and simply the free check will come which is a poor substitute for diversity. At the same time by making room for people with autism in society when others make their own choices if current law is held intact may more often choose to not abort should a test be developed.

Folks have the poor tendency at looking at issues without discovering their roots and like a weed of injustice you cannot just rid the top and not the roots nor just the roots but the seeds which make injustice spread so freely. Any plant that does not have fruit that benefits another life might be seen as a weed but it is water (money) that nourishes all roots regardless of perceived fruits. If one plant devised of one kind of seed does not include other fruits it is not the fault of other kinds of fruits. Therefore while all plants can nourish the earth weeds then are only determined to be so by those that perceive it to be undesired.

Writing for the attention of certain kinds of thinkers..

Actually we aren't trivializing anything, cause places like Cure Autism Now, view abortion as the cure to Autism.

Anyone who factually views a cure for autism as abortion is not just a social dork but a monster. Can you please provide evidence a cure is strictly viewed by X organization as abortion?

Actually, they support a prenatal test for autism, which is not the same as abortion. Prenatal testing is not a bad thing.