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07 Aug 2011, 3:20 pm

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Note: This is a creative writing piece posted under the autism politics, activism and media representation forum on WrongPlanet.NET for input. It is devised of a certain approach and creative writing fortitude specifically formulated for the relevancy of the expression found here and elsewhere in online autism and developmental disability forums. It is neither a rough draft nor a final version. Your reply is appreciated.

Autism Leadership

The Hope of Today

The Audacity of Yesterday


The reality of tomorrow begins with the hope and action of today. I have discovered that instead of realizing a false hope before it has a chance to occur is to rather enact hope to find how it might progress. A few years ago which I refer to as yesterday there was only hope and action in what I sought to achieve. As others in the autism community say I am oppressed by the mainstream yet they themselves have to realize the hope of tomorrow I find a different potential world then they imagine at times by predicting it thus many times creating it. A little head strong and stubborn we can innovate for those not fortunate enough to be part of the world as others are. A little resilience fertilizing the seeds of progress we find small changes that together creates this larger change we and others might find to be simply more pleasing.

A few asses comprise human injustice and we fill the cracks in the walls of the societal experience with justice which is like putty filling these voids of hope in human nature. It is only the result of a few and simply our lack of action because the many do not have an opinion of our individual and community progresses as of yet either way. The inequality of our experiences is realized and made adapt by overcoming them both in how we react to these cracks in the wall with our resilience and our methods of achieving in spite of them. Members of a community can move forward both compassionately for needs and strong in the spirit of creating a resilient and hardened ability. Without compassion for one another we risk becoming at times the asses of injustice and what we thought were the cracks within society preventing our individual progresses which can become renewed again due to it or even originating from ourselves justifying the everyday false beliefs of the world around us as a whole which define only the asses here and there.

For my part to progress change I believe in autism and developmental disability supportive employment product manufacturing. Many care and many will support it and this is what I’ve experienced as proof thus far. Yet it will not be done entirely by the hands of this employed diversity. It will be accomplished even further with the help of the greater diversity who will help teach us the work ethics and resilience of hope they have had to abide by to survive. Many of us have been helped in life by this majority with their hard earned livelihoods with the programs they fund to help us with their tax-dollars. They too may help with this next step in our hope for prosperity and change. Those who function quite well along side of them currently whom are diagnosed with similar differences defining us each as different then the norm can be part of it as well.

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Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings.
John F. Kennedy

Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly.
John F. Kennedy

Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one's own beliefs. Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others.
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14 Aug 2011, 2:44 pm

I'm sorry, ci, but I'm finding your posts very difficult to read.

You have a lot of them, and so many are either walls of words that I have trouble parsing, or combative, or a paste-up of quotes I won't read and videos that I won't watch.

I find myself frustrated and sad after reading many of your posts, even though I don't think that was your intent.

I have been avoiding some threads in which you are an active poster.

I don't want to feel this way about your posts. I find you interesting and suspect that you have something to offer, but your posts often drive me away.

I wish that you would post short, succinct post of your own words, without links or embedded videos, that convey your thoughts simply and in digestible pieces.


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14 Aug 2011, 2:51 pm

AlanTuring wrote:
I'm sorry, ci, but I'm finding your posts very difficult to read.

You have a lot of them, and so many are either walls of words that I have trouble parsing, or combative, or a paste-up of quotes I won't read and videos that I won't watch.

I find myself frustrated and sad after reading many of your posts, even though I don't think that was your intent.

I have been avoiding some threads in which you are an active poster.

I don't want to feel this way about your posts. I find you interesting and suspect that you have something to offer, but your posts often drive me away.

I wish that you would post short, succinct post of your own words, without links or embedded videos, that convey your thoughts simply and in digestible pieces.


If you take a post and say you simply do not understand as a whole instead of taking parts and asking questions it is easier. This post was about conflict in part. How people are so very vindictive toward one (asses) another instead of hopeful (positive). This in context to Autism Politics and the whole pride vs. cure ideologies. Whereas I believe the underlining motivation of both sides is life improvements and well hope. Sometimes people become so divided they become hateful and destructive. I've experienced only some of that but still for instance like the video is about hope and looking forward the message of the OP is simply a creative writing piece like someone writes a poem. A motivational articulation in a sub-forum here of conflict.

If you want to have me write differently and refuse to try to understand I will not become like you so you can be happy. If you take the time to understand and ask questions which you started to do but expressed that you would instead would have me change everything about my expressions then my communication to you will not be improved. Instead I expect you to respect how I express myself without declaring it inferior, lessor or unacceptable to your own.


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15 Aug 2011, 4:25 pm

ci - You apparently do not understand, so I will speak more plainly.

Your posting style is a turn-off.

The way you write your posts makes them not only difficult and/or unpleasant for me to read, but makes me want to avoid them.

I am not interested in debating any post in particular. This is a heads-up for you in hopes that you may take try to understand why your posts aren't as well received by some as you might have hoped.


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15 Aug 2011, 4:35 pm

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ci - You apparently do not understand, so I will speak more plainly.

Your posting style is a turn-off.

The way you write your posts makes them not only difficult and/or unpleasant for me to read, but makes me want to avoid them.

I am not interested in debating any post in particular. This is a heads-up for you in hopes that you may take try to understand why your posts aren't as well received by some as you might have hoped.


That is your choice so be it. Just making it out as if you cannot understand when you do because you find it unpleasant to your own opinions is contradictory. People don't have to think like you do or how I do that's part of diversity and that same diversity comprises the concept of Neurodiversity. Coexisting with a diversity is going to have to take some tolerance by everyone.

I was just complimented as well with regards to my writing techniques and styles. People at times actually seek to learn from me.


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15 Aug 2011, 5:16 pm

ci wrote:
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ci - You apparently do not understand, so I will speak more plainly.

Your posting style is a turn-off.

The way you write your posts makes them not only difficult and/or unpleasant for me to read, but makes me want to avoid them.

I am not interested in debating any post in particular. This is a heads-up for you in hopes that you may take try to understand why your posts aren't as well received by some as you might have hoped.


That is your choice so be it. Just making it out as if you cannot understand when you do because you find it unpleasant to your own opinions is contradictory. People don't have to think like you do or how I do that's part of diversity and that same diversity comprises the concept of Neurodiversity. Coexisting with a diversity is going to have to take some tolerance by everyone.

I was just complimented as well with regards to my writing techniques and styles. People at times actually seek to learn from me.


Once more into the breach...

I am describing my reactions to many of your posts as well as what I understand the reactions of other people to be.

That I have difficulty approaching some writing because of how it appears visually or the convolutions of its phrasing is not a 'choice' - it is how I am. If a writer has a reputation for having good ideas, I will often take the extra trouble to try to decipher what they are trying to say, especially on this site, where so many of us have difficulty expressing ourselves.

The point I was making is that your reputation is not such that I am likely to take the trouble of deciphering many of your posts. I am capable of doing so, but I haven't found it to be worth my while.

I wish it were otherwise - I think you do have some things to say that I'd find of interest.

I am not interested in, nor do I deserve, a lecture from you on diversity.

I was trying to be helpful and point out how some aspects of your communication style are working against your desire to communicate your ideas to others.


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15 Aug 2011, 5:21 pm

ci wrote:
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I was just complimented as well with regards to my writing techniques and styles. People at times actually seek to learn from me.

:lol:



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15 Aug 2011, 5:37 pm

AlanTuring wrote:
ci wrote:
AlanTuring wrote:
ci - You apparently do not understand, so I will speak more plainly.

Your posting style is a turn-off.

The way you write your posts makes them not only difficult and/or unpleasant for me to read, but makes me want to avoid them.

I am not interested in debating any post in particular. This is a heads-up for you in hopes that you may take try to understand why your posts aren't as well received by some as you might have hoped.


That is your choice so be it. Just making it out as if you cannot understand when you do because you find it unpleasant to your own opinions is contradictory. People don't have to think like you do or how I do that's part of diversity and that same diversity comprises the concept of Neurodiversity. Coexisting with a diversity is going to have to take some tolerance by everyone.

I was just complimented as well with regards to my writing techniques and styles. People at times actually seek to learn from me.


Once more into the breach...

I am describing my reactions to many of your posts as well as what I understand the reactions of other people to be.

That I have difficulty approaching some writing because of how it appears visually or the convolutions of its phrasing is not a 'choice' - it is how I am. If a writer has a reputation for having good ideas, I will often take the extra trouble to try to decipher what they are trying to say, especially on this site, where so many of us have difficulty expressing ourselves.

The point I was making is that your reputation is not such that I am likely to take the trouble of deciphering many of your posts. I am capable of doing so, but I haven't found it to be worth my while.

I wish it were otherwise - I think you do have some things to say that I'd find of interest.

I am not interested in, nor do I deserve, a lecture from you on diversity.

I was trying to be helpful and point out how some aspects of your communication style are working against your desire to communicate your ideas to others.


I think this is why pride advocates get ignored. They don't tend to want to bother to understand others views but just stick to their own. On the other hand I've taken extreme amounts of time to understand pride and have taken the time to portray how I as a person understand pride and the issues. It gives away allot of sensitive information. Simply I am not interested in forcing you to read anything of mine but pride advocates try and force others to understand and view their perspective. OH well!


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15 Aug 2011, 5:43 pm

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ci wrote:
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I was just complimented as well with regards to my writing techniques and styles. People at times actually seek to learn from me.

:lol:


Indeed. I am working on a book about Autism Pride & Prejudice. There is an editor for it Some you may like some you will not. Ultimately some issues are a catch 22 such as a cure for autism symptoms vs acceptance of autism. I think some people are just caught in the middle of what people choose for themselves and when others attempt to choose for adults like myself and others who also have autism they have crossed the line. The whole idea cure is a bigotry according to some is absolute nonsense if the same people will admit autism is a disability least in part. It's kind of technical thereafter with regards to if a cure is not currently available still acceptance is a good thing for individuals in their way of being but when otherwise a diversity that is unique to individuals originally diagnosed still existing after a cure for debilitating symptoms because of aspects being hardwired acceptance is still a great thing.

Rigid political mindedness causes great rift.


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ci wrote:
AlanTuring wrote:
ci wrote:
AlanTuring wrote:
ci - You apparently do not understand, so I will speak more plainly.

Your posting style is a turn-off.

The way you write your posts makes them not only difficult and/or unpleasant for me to read, but makes me want to avoid them.

I am not interested in debating any post in particular. This is a heads-up for you in hopes that you may take try to understand why your posts aren't as well received by some as you might have hoped.


That is your choice so be it. Just making it out as if you cannot understand when you do because you find it unpleasant to your own opinions is contradictory. People don't have to think like you do or how I do that's part of diversity and that same diversity comprises the concept of Neurodiversity. Coexisting with a diversity is going to have to take some tolerance by everyone.

I was just complimented as well with regards to my writing techniques and styles. People at times actually seek to learn from me.


Once more into the breach...

I am describing my reactions to many of your posts as well as what I understand the reactions of other people to be.

That I have difficulty approaching some writing because of how it appears visually or the convolutions of its phrasing is not a 'choice' - it is how I am. If a writer has a reputation for having good ideas, I will often take the extra trouble to try to decipher what they are trying to say, especially on this site, where so many of us have difficulty expressing ourselves.

The point I was making is that your reputation is not such that I am likely to take the trouble of deciphering many of your posts. I am capable of doing so, but I haven't found it to be worth my while.

I wish it were otherwise - I think you do have some things to say that I'd find of interest.

I am not interested in, nor do I deserve, a lecture from you on diversity.

I was trying to be helpful and point out how some aspects of your communication style are working against your desire to communicate your ideas to others.


I think this is why pride advocates get ignored. They don't tend to want to bother to understand others views but just stick to their own. On the other hand I've taken extreme amounts of time to understand pride and have taken the time to portray how I as a person understand pride and the issues. It gives away allot of sensitive information. Simply I am not interested in forcing you to read anything of mine but pride advocates try and force others to understand and view their perspective. OH well!


Don't you get what he said already you nut? He said your attempt to stifle self-respect is misguided! You never understood anyone you have challenged because you are so amazingly arrogant that you believe only yourself and people who believe in you to be right! Also you just had to add another underhanded attack didn't you? THEY FORCE ME> HOW DARE THEY. Complete rubbish. I respond to your comments, your forceful self-righteous raging and that's forcing you? You have no damned clue.



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15 Aug 2011, 5:48 pm

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I think this is why pride advocates get ignored. They don't tend to want to bother to understand others views but just stick to their own. On the other hand I've taken extreme amounts of time to understand pride and have taken the time to portray how I as a person understand pride and the issues. It gives away allot of sensitive information. Simply I am not interested in forcing you to read anything of mine but pride advocates try and force others to understand and view their perspective. OH well!


So it goes.

I started off by offering some constructive criticism that actually was well intended.

You are the first one to mention pride in this discussion. I've dealt with your unjust treatment of the idea of aspie/autie pride in another thread, your "Beyond pride..." thread in this forum.

If the only way you can respond is by trying to 'smear' me by calling me a pride advocate, smear away.

I am a pride advocate, proud of being so, not that it is at relevant to this thread.

I wish that you would quiet down and think for a bit, instead of blasting away with your keyboard.


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I am working on a book about Autism Pride & Prejudice.


Oh, please don't bother.

Jane Austen is already dead; why add insult to injury?


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Gedrene wrote:
ci wrote:
AlanTuring wrote:
ci wrote:
AlanTuring wrote:
ci - You apparently do not understand, so I will speak more plainly.

Your posting style is a turn-off.

The way you write your posts makes them not only difficult and/or unpleasant for me to read, but makes me want to avoid them.

I am not interested in debating any post in particular. This is a heads-up for you in hopes that you may take try to understand why your posts aren't as well received by some as you might have hoped.


That is your choice so be it. Just making it out as if you cannot understand when you do because you find it unpleasant to your own opinions is contradictory. People don't have to think like you do or how I do that's part of diversity and that same diversity comprises the concept of Neurodiversity. Coexisting with a diversity is going to have to take some tolerance by everyone.

I was just complimented as well with regards to my writing techniques and styles. People at times actually seek to learn from me.


Once more into the breach...

I am describing my reactions to many of your posts as well as what I understand the reactions of other people to be.

That I have difficulty approaching some writing because of how it appears visually or the convolutions of its phrasing is not a 'choice' - it is how I am. If a writer has a reputation for having good ideas, I will often take the extra trouble to try to decipher what they are trying to say, especially on this site, where so many of us have difficulty expressing ourselves.

The point I was making is that your reputation is not such that I am likely to take the trouble of deciphering many of your posts. I am capable of doing so, but I haven't found it to be worth my while.

I wish it were otherwise - I think you do have some things to say that I'd find of interest.

I am not interested in, nor do I deserve, a lecture from you on diversity.

I was trying to be helpful and point out how some aspects of your communication style are working against your desire to communicate your ideas to others.


I think this is why pride advocates get ignored. They don't tend to want to bother to understand others views but just stick to their own. On the other hand I've taken extreme amounts of time to understand pride and have taken the time to portray how I as a person understand pride and the issues. It gives away allot of sensitive information. Simply I am not interested in forcing you to read anything of mine but pride advocates try and force others to understand and view their perspective. OH well!


Don't you get what he said already you nut? He said your attempt to stifle self-respect is misguided! You never understood anyone you have challenged because you are so amazingly arrogant that you believe only yourself and people who believe in you to be right! Also you just had to add another underhanded attack didn't you? THEY FORCE ME> HOW DARE THEY. Complete rubbish. I respond to your comments, your forceful self-righteous raging and that's forcing you? You have no damned clue.


There you go with the name calling, put downs and arrogance yourself. Only you can be right and those like you that assert sides! What I've talked about is a tolerance for all views and still creating progress despite. A person who believes they need a cure ought to be respected the same as someone who does not believe they need a cure. When people force their views such as personal choices your going to get conflicts in these kinds of politics. A conformity to personal choices is the only way out of this conflict which has proven to be a complete waste of time when others try to dictate other peoples choices.

I am not on the side holding signs calling people pity, bigots and human cleansing. I'm on the side of my own that wants to simply settle it down because it's going nowhere. When you can have a conversation without the name calling resorts and put downs I will tlak to you.


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15 Aug 2011, 5:51 pm

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ci wrote:
I am working on a book about Autism Pride & Prejudice.


Oh, please don't bother.

Jane Austen is already dead; why add insult to injury?


Then don't bother sharing your thoughts. You are a bit mean.


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15 Aug 2011, 5:55 pm

ci wrote:
AlanTuring wrote:
ci wrote:
I am working on a book about Autism Pride & Prejudice.


Oh, please don't bother.

Jane Austen is already dead; why add insult to injury?


Then don't bother sharing your thoughts. You are a bit mean.


Speak for yourself. All you managed to do on one thread was manage to splatter out hurtful, meaningless sarcasm AND THEN backpedal when you found out that you looked silly.



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Gedrene wrote:
ci wrote:
AlanTuring wrote:
ci wrote:
I am working on a book about Autism Pride & Prejudice.


Oh, please don't bother.

Jane Austen is already dead; why add insult to injury?


Then don't bother sharing your thoughts. You are a bit mean.


Speak for yourself. All you managed to do on one thread was manage to splatter out hurtful, meaningless sarcasm AND THEN backpedal when you found out that you looked silly.


I'm paddling straight forward. The evidence of protest videos and some blogs by pride making all sorts of hurtful accusations which have proven to be categorically false are recorded evidence. Seems to be a trend of at least some pride advocates to become hateful, hurtful and demeaning. Regardless your methods of using the R word and vindictive put downs paint your sides picture solely. I want the crazy anger to settle down and more different things to be focused on as no one will remove the right to cure research for individuals with autism that choose it as it is their human right and no one can evade it. No one... The attempts to do so have failed miserably by some of the worse kinds of political PR I've ever seen aside from some historical figures.


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