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As has been apparent in the short time I have been present it has become clear that this forum can turn in to a war zone between two loosely defined but intrinsically similar parties despite their diametric opposition to each other.

On the one hand there are those that suppose that we are superior to who most of us call NTs. Better in some way according to what can only be described as flights of fancy and personal moralistic tales all of which point to the supposed inferiority of those who surround us and on the other hand fiercely attack those who would challenge their delusional wide-sweeping conclusions with farcical, aggressive retorts.

On the other hand there are those that come to the opposite idea: that they are broken and cracked, in need of help for what we are rather than what other disorders and mental issues they may have. Now I shall qualify that many of those individuals may actually need help of their own but not for the reason that they resemble me. Yet, in any argument that others who are 'autistic' like them argue some form of equality these people seem to respond to with amazing and unpleasant intensity, resorting to the same sort of chiding, unreasoning jibes.

These supremacists have in their examples clearly relied on typecasting and typecasting groups of people because of what individuals do is a weakness. It creates conflict with individuals that are otherwise not opposed to you and when that occurs you make more enemies than you need. More importantly it is also a sign of moral weakness: Making enemies of individuals that have meant you no harm is wrong. In the end it is clear that we are not superior to humanity because these individuals clearly have demonstrated the worst trait of NTs within themselves. Morally we are no less unambiguously grey. It is clear that we are no better.

Turning back to the other side the fact is that for them any person who argues against what they say is intolerable. Debates are not freefall environments where in ideas are exchanged. They pose questions and there is a correct answer to guess. Any deviation is grounds for speculation about ulterior motives, lazy insults and double-talk. If you respond with a straightforward answer, they try to slip in random opinions as truths in to transparent attacks on your person. It does not even cross their mind that they could ever be wrong because they did not come here to be wrong, they came to have their uncertain beliefs confirmed by others. In the end the amount of arm-twisting they have to undergo to try and make people believe what they do is nothing less than shameful.



In the end both sides are different shades of the same problem: intolerance. These two groups try to lump those in the centre ground with the other side. The first rely on accusations such as saying you want your own kind to die, the second have used stealth words such as pride to try and link together people who feel they are equal and those who think they are superior. However, the fact is that I can reason for myself, stand upon my own feet and face the world with confidence. Furthermore I seem to be able to talk reasonably with people like me about any number of things and want to seek it. We are just another kind of Human, but the first one whose differences are based not on skin colour or small physiological difference, but brain pattern. We are equal. Even now these two sides would bury their heads in the sand about this possibility and whilst they witter on I shall endeavour to deal with the most important problem, the etiology of farce.

They are mainly four parties on this website.
1. the 'superiors'
2. the 'cracked'
3. the ones that seem to endlessly comment on the ongoing debate between the former two
4. the ones that are endlessly grateful for the existence of the website and are willing to learn from the other three sides and now and then add their own take on things - those are my favourites.

Except that this is the only time I have ever pointed out the existence of the two groups described. Endlessly for you must mean once. You should show some tolerance of other ideas.

Trying to create divide between myself and willingness to learn from the two groups is a farce. That grateful for the existence of the website comment is trite and has nothing to do with the issues that were made here. I think most people respect this place as an outlet no matter what they believe. Maybe you should stick to the point, rather than judge who and who does not like this site. Ironic that the moment I add my own take you strike out at me.

I know why the supremacists exist. They have been screwed with. I intend on making a solution that means they aren't screwed with but don't screw over others. I know why the curists exist. They feel let out from normality, but I feel their beliefs are based on an oversimplification of what we are. As for not adding my own take, you have forgotten to even read the last sentence, where I say I will be taking on another topic.

i have never understood these conflicts and frankly im frustrated with both sides.autism supremists vs. curebees and what not.these viewpoints are prevelant in all disability movements actualy and has for a long time.this isnt new,autism is just a new disability thats all.i have found many people here never go to the generlized disability sites.websites like streetie.com for offer everything from wheelchair skydiving to wheelchair porn and information on latest therap's and cure.and nobody hates one another.its only on these autism based sites that these diferent viewpoint lead to so much hate.i guess its the mind blind leading the mind blind

Well I'd rather say that I have no issues, but yes, It really does boil down to the fact that they are no different to anyone else in any other group.

There's all sorts of stuff that NTs talk about with us, each throwing each other's arguments aside at will, yet noone could argue them being mindblind. Democrat and Republican hardliners in the US talk with hateful and shallow invective.

I am thankful for your input.

the part about mind blind was meant to be a joke.i have never in my life realy had any flawed ideas but i did not express them right and i was never taken seriously by people.i do think a certain amount of miscomunication is responsable for the hate and mis trust in autism politics.this is not to say that the core meaning of our arguments are wrong at all.most people on this site are like 18-22 years old even ci is only 30.so take it from a old fart i have personaly sacrificed much just to be understood

Lawl! Well it was so seamless with the other sentences it didn't stand ou as one. But I very much understand.

I feel you may have thought too well of other people and not so much of yourself. You seem gentle enough. These people aren't gentle at all. They're ruthless and ruthless people will always tell you things that make appearances, not deal with facts. They will attempt to derail your line of thought with speculation, digression and insults. It's the nature of anyone who thinks they cannot be wrong. I know that I can be. I should have seen your joke.

im confused

It's no where near as simple as the above.

I wasn't explaining the universe ci. :/

About?

That was a joke.

That is a convenient excuse.

For starters, jokes are funny.

No I was referring to your comment about the universe being a joke.

Right, sure, whatever. You know your mind and over something so small I wont make a big deal. I'll take your word for it.

i dont get this at and i dont get any of this,anyhow welcome back ci.what i meant when i critizeded myself was communication style not content of ideas.what that has to do with ruthless people i dont know.both of you guys are a mystery