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22 Sep 2011, 11:08 pm

That was pretty cowardly. Doublespeak is Orwellian. So is fear of information and censorship. Black and white thinking will get us nowhere.

That is all I have to say on the matter.



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22 Sep 2011, 11:14 pm

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That was pretty cowardly. Doublespeak is Orwellian. So is fear of information and censorship. Black and white thinking will get us nowhere.

That is all I have to say on the matter.


While the Interview is no longer available at the orginal link you provided it is still available at this link:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=23241&page=1


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Autism Speaks

An Interview with
Dana Marnane, Vice President, Awareness and Events

In this groundbreaking interview, Marnane discusses
Autism Speaks’ controversial past, the possibility of an autism cure, the future of this powerful organization, and more…


By John Scott Holman

How many times have members of the autistic community shouted variations of the following questions while waving picket signs? How many keyboards have been attacked by the fingers of enraged autistics hurling such questions into cyberspace? Never before has a representative of Autism Speaks offered so many answers directly to an openly hostile online community. Never… before today.

John Elder Robison, acclaimed author of “Look Me in the Eye” and “Be Different: Adventures of a Free Range Aspergian,” expressed the necessity of this endeavor, “Autism affects us in many different ways. I feel the pain of being forever an outsider. My son is now going down that same road, as a 21-year-old with Asperger’s. Do I want to develop therapies and tools to help him have a better life? You bet.

Would I call that a cure? Of course not. I would call that helping him learn to fit in and get by.

Autism Speaks was founded by parents and grandparents… as the organization has matured, it has begun seeking alternate points of view from folks like you and me… it’s here to stay, and we will all achieve far more if we get together and talk. I invite you to join the conversation.”

I wish to extend my gratitude to all the members of aspiesforfreedom.com who offered their support and suggestions throughout the undertaking of this venture. You all helped to produce something truly meaningful, the impact of which will not be easily measured.

I am no one special. I am merely an individual who laid down my picket sign and politely demanded to be heard. Many joined me in this demand.

We all have a voice, and together our voices are a cry for freedom and equality which cannot be ignored.

I submitted the following questions to Dana Marnane, who promptly and enthusiastically responded.


1. How does Autism Speaks account for the large community of self-advocating autistics who oppose their organization? Does Autism Speaks feel this population has misunderstood their message, and if so, what might you say to clarify your intentions?

A: Autism Speaks’ mission is to improve the lives of people with autism spectrum disorders (ASD) and their families. ASD is a very heterogeneous condition and, thus, the needs of the autism community are diverse. However, a core mission at Autism Speaks is to help each individual and each family address their unique struggles and help each person with ASD live the most productive and meaningful life possible. One person with ASD might define his or her greatest challenge as the need for gainful employment and full acceptance by society, whereas another person with ASD might be most affected by severe, intractable seizures or other disabling medical problems that can often co-exist with an autism diagnosis. We believe that all of these issues deserve research and advocacy.

One tension that exists is whether basic research on the biology of autism or studies focused on services is more deserving. We believe we need to fund both kinds of research. The basic research, including genetic and other biomedical studies, offers the best hope that we will be able to help the person with seizures or other severe medical problems. Such research may also lead to treatments that improve communication and social skills. When Autism Speaks first began, much of our funding was directed toward basic research. However, over the past few years, we have been balancing this basic research with studies that are developing new service and support programs for people at all points on the autism spectrum. We have also directed more funds toward advocacy efforts and research focused on adults with ASD. Among our six targeted research emphasis areas is a focus on understanding adult development, including issues related to successful outcomes, interventions and supports, and medical issues. As a result of our soliciting these kinds of research proposals, we are funding more and more studies that focus on issues that adults with ASD face as they seek to live fulfilling, independent and productive lives.

2. Autism Speaks funds the Autism Genome project, described, on autismspeaks.org, as, "the largest study ever conducted to find the genes associated with inherited risk for autism." What specific benefits might this research provide the autistic community? Why might so many autistics oppose such research?

A: We are working hard to understand the biological basis of autism as this will help us target medical treatments to the individuals who need and want them. We now know that autism isn’t one condition, but rather many conditions with many different causes and biologies. Genes are one way of helping to categorize the different autisms so that treatments can be more effective. For example, some, but not all, people with ASD have sleep problems and, in some cases, it appears to be linked to a gene involved in melatonin production (melatonin regulates our sleep cycle). By identifying individuals with that genetic variation, we can hopefully identify those people who would be most likely to respond to melatonin supplementation. This is just one example, but there are many others like it. Genes are one of the best ways of subtyping and understanding the biology of autism so we can develop interventions that can help people with medical problems, such as sleep and GI problems, seizures, food allergies, and so on.

3. In 2007, Autism Speaks merged with Cure Autism Now. Does finding an autism cure continue to be one of your organizations primary objectives? Do you believe it is legitimately possible to "cure" autism, and if so, what exactly would such a cure entail? What characteristics would be removed from a cured individual and what characteristics would remain?

A: Our organization has four main objectives – to raise awareness of autism, fund research into the causes, better diagnosis and more effective treatments of autism, to advocate for families (for instance – insurance coverage for validated treatments) and to providing resources for families such as the transition toolkit for adolescents who are becoming adults, community grants to expand community services, create housing and much more, as well as information on where to get assistance around the country.

As our mission relates to “cure”, our goal is to reduce suffering associated with autism, in all its forms. Some would call that a cure. Others would call it remediation of disability. For others, it means acceptance and empowerment.

One of the things that is so challenging about autism is the fact that there’s so much variation in the way autism is expressed in people. Some individuals can have a productive and creative life, and they aren’t looking for a cure. They’re interested in being accepted and getting access to services to help them adapt to the world with their special skills. At the other end, there are individuals severely affected who have significant medical conditions, like GI distress and have never spoken. For those individuals, the prospect of a cure for autism is really important because to that person “cure” means being able to communicate and free of pain. That results in a lot of different perspectives of where our priorities should be.

4. A growing body of scientific research suggests that we are rapidly nearing the development of an amniocentesis test to detect autism, much like the procedure currently used to detect Down’s syndrome. Does funding provided by Autism Speaks in any way enable the development of such a test? If a prenatal test for autism was developed, does Autism Speaks believe that it should be made available to the public?

A: Autism Speaks is not funding any research to develop a prenatal test for autism. That is not our goal. The genetic research Autism Speaks has funded is aimed at finding biological causes, as described above.

5. It has been proposed that Autism, Asperger’s Disorder and Pervasive Developmental Disorder – Not Otherwise Specified, be replaced in the DSM-V by a general category referred to as Autism Spectrum Disorder. How might this be beneficial, and or detrimental, to the autistic community, their families, schools, the clinical practices attempting to improve their quality of life, etc…?

A: In February, 2010, Autism Speaks published a blog on this very topic at http://blog.autismspeaks.org/2010/02/10/...r-autism/. In that post, we acknowledged that the community would have a wide range of reactions depending on one’s perspective (a recurring theme in this interview!). We pointed out that scientifically, there is no strong scientific rationale for distinguishing among autism, Asperger syndrome, and PDD-NOS. We said at that time that the changes to the DSM, scientifically, make sense.

However we also acknowledged that people in the community living with autism may have a very different view of the change. In particular, “Many individuals personally identify with the diagnostic label they have been given and grown up with. They may participate in support or advocacy groups that identify with a specific label: for example “Aspies.” Thus, although the scientific and professional communities may institute a change in the diagnostic criteria, many may choose to use the original labels despite the changes in the DSM. And there is nothing wrong with this. In fact, there is precedent for this. For example, “sensory integration disorder” and “nonverbal learning disability” are examples of labels that have been used by the clinical community, but are not specifically part of the DSM.

One benefit of the change is that it may help increase access to services for those individuals with Asperger Syndrome and PDD-NOS who were previously denied access to autism-related services.”

Interestingly, the reaction to that blog and other articles was mixed, mirroring the very conflicts across our community.

6. Hans Asperger said, "It seems that for success in science and art, a dash of autism is essential." Does Autism Speaks believe that certain valuable human characteristics might be lost if autism was to be eradicated from the species?

A: Autism Speaks does not and never has sought to eradicate autism. We wish to celebrate the valuable human characteristics of autism, as you say, by helping each person with autism use those characteristics in the most successful and rewarding way possible. At the same time, we hope to eliminate the frequent co-occurring medical issues that negatively impact quality of life for many of those on the spectrum. We want compassion for those who need it and help for those who want it. For the individual who cannot communicate – we want to help them find a voice. For the individual who is self-injurious and cannot function, we want to ease that suffering with whatever treatments will help. For those who are self-advocates and just want to be accepted for who they are – we salute you and we would never try to change you. In fact, we desperately need your voice to help bring even more awareness, understanding and compassion to those who are not touched by autism.

7. How does Autism Speaks feel about speculation that certain important figures in human history, such as Einstein and Mozart, had High Functioning Autism, or Asperger Syndrome? Does Autism Speaks believe that individuals with HFA or AS have greater societal value than those with lower functioning forms of autism?

A: We believe that everyone with autism has special gifts – it’s up to families and the community to help them discover those qualities. We do not speculate on who may or may not have had Asperger Syndrome in history.

8. Would someone on the autism spectrum be capable of attaining a well-paid and influential position within Autism Speaks?

A: Absolutely. We post all open positions on multiple job sites and encourage anyone who meets the qualifications to apply. Autism Speaks does not discriminate in its hiring practices. People with autism are employed at Autism Speaks and are also appointed to several boards and committees, such as the Scientific Advisory Board and Treatment Advisory Board, both of which review and evaluate our research grant proposals. So people on the autism spectrum are shaping what we fund. We also have many family members at Autism Speaks, both as employees and board/committee members.

9. Many of Autism Speaks’ promotional strategies have been heavily criticized. Are there any specific marketing choices that Autism Speaks has come to regret? If so, what would Autism Speaks say to those who were offended by the way they have chosen to depict autism, and what corrective action is being taken?

A: We are a young organization and we learn as we grow. Without a doubt we have made mistakes – and to those we may have offended we are truly sorry. We never set out to offend. We are sincerely trying to help all those struggling with ASD. The autism spectrum is just that – a broad spectrum – and we respect that there are many different points of view. What touches someone can offend another. What we ask of this community is to also respect that others don’t think or feel the way they do – that doesn’t mean their opinions and thoughts are wrong. We all need to learn to be respectful and compassionate.

10. What primary goal does Autism Speaks wish to reach within the next decade?

A: Like we said earlier, our organization has four main objectives – to raise awareness of autism, fund research into the causes, better diagnosis and more effective treatments of autism, to advocate for families and provide resources for families and individuals. Our main goals moving forward are:
• Federal legislation to cover autism insurance – in the meantime we will continue going state-to-state.
• Reauthorization of the Combating Autism Act to provide critical government funds for research and services for autism.
• Discovering and developing more effective ways of detecting autism and providing effective interventions and supports for people on the spectrum throughout their lifespan.
• Increasing access to high-quality services and supports for people with ASD throughout the world.
• Creating a more compassionate world for all those with an autism spectrum disorder.



Hopefully constructive dialogue can continue here, if people are interested in discussing the issue, or gaining more information from Autism Speaks on clarification of the questions that were answered in the interview.



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22 Sep 2011, 11:18 pm

Thanks man!



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23 Sep 2011, 12:00 am

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That was pretty cowardly. Doublespeak is Orwellian. So is fear of information and censorship. Black and white thinking will get us nowhere.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

What do you expect? Why do you even bother with them? If they ever do draw mainstream media attention, there wannabe X-men/next evolutionary step attitude combined with Vietnam era liberal style activism is going to get us all on the home page of the Onion or Cracked.com.


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23 Sep 2011, 1:05 am

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Tambourine-Man wrote:
That was pretty cowardly. Doublespeak is Orwellian. So is fear of information and censorship. Black and white thinking will get us nowhere.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

What do you expect? Why do you even bother with them? If they ever do draw mainstream media attention, there wannabe X-men/next evolutionary step attitude combined with Vietnam era liberal style activism is going to get us all on the home page of the Onion or Cracked.com.


I did my best to help them to be taken seriously. I'm done. The vicious bullying of my kid sister was the last straw.

I'm on to bigger and better things.

That was ugly. Just plain ugly. That thread was viewed by thousands of people. They made themselves look BAD. They didn't want a dialogue, they wanted a battle. Their pettiness, bitterness and bullying ultimately lost them the battle.

Credibility down the toilet.

But I've been contacted by a lot of cool people. I will be speaking alongside Steven Shore for ASPEN in April and I've received very cool writing offers.

I will continue to spread my message of progress through tasteful and polite engagement to bigger audiences.

AFF can be Malcom X. Maybe wrongplanet can be Martin Luther King JR.

Honestly, Autism Speaks has treated me far more kindly than 95 percent of the people on AFF and continue to do so.

Dana is an incredibly sweet lady. I can't speak for her interview responses, but her personal commentary let's me know that she truly has a good heart.

I may get banned from AFF for saying all this. If so, it will only make them look more fanatical.

It is sad, because there are some wonderful people over there, but their voices are drowned by a pack of bitter, militant shut-ins. Life has not treated these people kindly. They take out their rage and resentment on each other, squabbling endlessly and uselessly.

They don't want change, they simply want to bemoan their existence while simultaneously demanding respect. They are not self-advocating, they are self-indulging.

They make the autistic community look bad. I tried to open their minds a little. I think many responded. Those that did won't be there long. I can't tell you all how many private messages I received from individuals who felt compelled to apologize for the childish and hateful behavior of others.

A lot of people told me they were on the verge of leaving for good.

I hope, if they stay, that they can make a change. I doubt it.

Thousands of people were audience to a bunch of autistics acting like animals. That behavior is counterproductive. It brings shame to autistics and only reinforces all the negative stereotypes about them.

Anyone on the fence about autistic self-advocacy would would likely donate their last dollar to Autism Speaks after a gander at that thread.

I'm not bitter. I'm not sure why I'm even writing this. I just want people to know that there are some really good apples over there who tried to influence the rest of the spoiled lot to be a little civil.

The efforts over at AFF are useless because most can't even bring themselves to be polite. They seem to think AS is an excuse for repellant behavior.

I do not, however, believe that my efforts were in vain. Autism Speaks has been influenced by this more greatly than you might think and I have no doubt that they are genuinely seeking opinions and ideas from the autistic community.

They have been, and will continue to be, making changes.

Call me an idealist - I've been called a great deal worse in the last few days. I'd rather be an idealist than a bitter, self-righteous cynic with nothing to offer the world but his own displaced self-loathing.

I don't intend to debate this. I merely needed to get it off my chest.

So, what is next?


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23 Sep 2011, 1:32 am

I still dont trust AutismSpeaks. Until they stop trying to spend so much money trying to make it easier to abort aspies/autistics and actually use their craploads of funds to help aspies and autistics of all ages who are struggling, I cannot take them seriously, no matter what rhetoric come from them. I remain unconvinced.

I would never trust an interview with them either, as frankly many of us aspies do not have the capabilities to read between the lines. That is not our strength. Especially when it comes to dealing the kind of social skills genius who would end up working in marketing and PR in the first place.


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23 Sep 2011, 1:51 am

http://www.autismspeaks.org/about-us/leadership

Oh, and scroll down and see the woman that was interviewed on this page, Dana Marnane. She says:

"With increased awareness and action throughout this country, we will end this epidemic."

Epidemic. I guess she thinks we have SARS or something.


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23 Sep 2011, 2:01 am

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http://www.autismspeaks.org/about-us/leadership

Oh, and scroll down and see the woman that was interviewed on this page, Dana Marnane. She says:

"With increased awareness and action throughout this country, we will end this epidemic."

Epidemic. I guess she thinks we have SARS or something.


I AM AUSTIST, I HAZ BIRD FLU lol. But yeah, it's ironic considering that well, weren't they denying that sentiment in this recent interview? :lol:


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was it autism speaks or aspies for freedom that censured the article.and why was it censured


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23 Sep 2011, 3:19 am

Nexus wrote:
zen_mistress wrote:
http://www.autismspeaks.org/about-us/leadership

Oh, and scroll down and see the woman that was interviewed on this page, Dana Marnane. She says:

"With increased awareness and action throughout this country, we will end this epidemic."

Epidemic. I guess she thinks we have SARS or something.


I AM AUSTIST, I HAZ BIRD FLU lol. But yeah, it's ironic considering that well, weren't they denying that sentiment in this recent interview? :lol:


From the interview:

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eliminate the frequent co-occurring medical issues that negatively impact quality of life for many of those on the spectrum


Gastrointestinal illnesses are common among children with Autism, and recent research has shown that there is a genetic relationship to is association in children with regressive Autism. This is the type of co-occuring medical issue that some children with autism suffer with that they seek to eliminate or eradicate from the autistic population.

Regressive autism and those with autism that have developmental disabilities have also increased by prevalence statistics studies done by the government in special education programs in the school system, at a frequency considered to meet epidemic standards by some whom represent the government in planning for the future needs of autistic people that are more severely disabled by the condition.

Even if the increase in prevalence in government statistics are caused soley by better diagnosis, the government must plan ahead, realistically, by that increase in prevalence numbers to provide the support required for children in the future in the school systems.

Autism is considered a neurological disorder by the medical profession, not a disease, so epidemic may conjur up images of a disease, but the government's response to increases in the neurological disorder and there were an epidemic increase in the prevalence of a disease.

Above and beyond this, Autism Speaks in their interview clearly states that they would not want to change anything about an individual with Autism that is happy with the way they are.

Since the word epidemic is seen as offensive and the word autism as it has been used in the past as a general term to describe the debilitating aspects of autism that some autistic people experience, now that we have an open line of communication, a suggestion can be given to the organization, that they rid that type of language from the organization, including language like "wiping out autism from the history books" that can still be found on their website if one digs deep enough.

Then they could potentially replace it with more specific wording like eliminating co-occurring medical issues associated with Autism and providing answers that lead to new preventions, interventions, or treatments for developmental disabilities associated with Autism.

More simply put, identify the medical issues that they are trying to prevent, temper, or correct associated with autism, rather that using Autism as a general all inclusive term for those medical issues and developmental disabilities that are part of some people's lives with autism but not a part of other people's lives with autism.

With their language in the interview they've opened a door for this type of change within the organization. If we can provide them the constructive input, to implement the changes in areas that we see that they may not be thinking about, we are providing assistance for real progress in improving the autism awareness efforts of the organization, to provide a clearer picture of the whole spectrum.

The individual that did the interview completely understood when she gave the interview that the phrase under her name lists the problems associated with Autism as an epidemic; she has made it clear that her definition of autism in context of the question given in the interview is the entire autistic not just the medical or developmental disabilities that some with Autism experience.

I see it as great that she is defining it this way, and hope that the rest of the representatives in the organization will make the effort to define it this way, as well in the future.

They are reading this thread, so if there are complaints that is good, but if there are constructive suggestions for the improvement that we want, we can list them and make this thread a valuable source of information for constructive improvement for the organization, and perhaps make a difference in the future, in the change we want to see.



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23 Sep 2011, 3:34 am

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was it autism speaks or aspies for freedom that censured the article.and why was it censured


The AFF administrators took it down off of the main page. No reason is given, but if one looks through the thread that is linked above, it is fairly easy to see the politics that were at work, among those that had the authority to suggest or implement such an action.

Autism Speaks was hoping to get constructive responses from the site members as a dialogue to improve their efforts as an organization in meeting the needs of this part of the spectrum.

The thread on that conversation has been closed there, so the conversation and comments on the interview can continue here, and hopefully Autism Speaks can gain some helpful information to improve their efforts for this part of the spectrum.

So I ask of you, please, Vermont Savant, as forum laison to help us keep the conversation going in a positive direction to hear people's complaints and suggestions, and to help keep any character attacks that are unwarranted out of the conversation, to keep it moving ahead, to show we can work together to create something positive out of this.

I like Tambourine Man's suggestion of what's next. What is it that Autism Speaks can do better to improve the lives of Autistic Adults. Another poster, I believe Jojobean, indicated in one of these Interview threads the need for support programs with Support Dogs, and other needs that I can't think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure it has already been noted by the Autism Speaks organization.



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23 Sep 2011, 3:45 am

And so it seems that finding out whether what was said is truth is more important than ideology. Beware, this does not clean Autism Speak's record nor mean that we should not search for evidence, it only means that the opposite side has something to hide.

People must understand that anyone will do something wrong, even those who fight for the same thing as you do, and that you must challenge anyone's lies or misinformation because in the end what they do will only warp the fabric of Human consciousness, turning all of the discussions in to nothing more than sledgehammer allegations and empty ideals.

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23 Sep 2011, 3:55 am

aghogday wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
was it autism speaks or aspies for freedom that censured the article.and why was it censured


The AFF administrators took it down off of the main page. No reason is given, but if one looks through the thread that is linked above, it is fairly easy to see the politics that were at work, among those that had the authority to suggest or implement such an action.

Autism Speaks was hoping to get constructive responses from the site members as a dialogue to improve their efforts as an organization in meeting the needs of this part of the spectrum.

Seems you are guilty of putting a bad argument in reverse. It is not fairly easy to see any sort of politics, and you have no direct testimony of what Autism Speaks was trying to achieve. It seems we have two sides of ideologues here.


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[So I ask of you, please, Vermont Savant, as forum laison to help us keep the conversation going in a positive direction to hear people's complaints and suggestions, and to help keep any character attacks that are unwarranted out of the conversation, to keep it moving ahead, to show we can work together to create something positive out of this.

I like Tambourine Man's suggestion of what's next. What is it that Autism Speaks can do better to improve the lives of Autistic Adults. Another poster, I believe Jojobean, indicated in one of these Interview threads the need for support programs with Support Dogs, and other needs that I can't think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure it has already been noted by the Autism Speaks organization.

This is not about what next can autism speaks can provide us with. This is about which direction should we should take. What should we do. And to be honest what AFF does changes nothing if it is because of censorship. It just means both sides have done things wrong and people should not associate with them. Now people should find evidence that Autism Speaks does or does not profess to its own standards.
Furthermore don't tell vermont what to do. I don't think he needs a reminder of how to do his job. He has not warranted any such thing.



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Gedrene wrote:
aghogday wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
was it autism speaks or aspies for freedom that censured the article.and why was it censured


The AFF administrators took it down off of the main page. No reason is given, but if one looks through the thread that is linked above, it is fairly easy to see the politics that were at work, among those that had the authority to suggest or implement such an action.

Autism Speaks was hoping to get constructive responses from the site members as a dialogue to improve their efforts as an organization in meeting the needs of this part of the spectrum.

Seems you are guilty of putting a bad argument in reverse. It is not fairly easy to see any sort of politics, and you have no direct testimony of what Autism Speaks was trying to achieve. It seems we have two sides of ideologues here.

aghogday wrote:
[So I ask of you, please, Vermont Savant, as forum laison to help us keep the conversation going in a positive direction to hear people's complaints and suggestions, and to help keep any character attacks that are unwarranted out of the conversation, to keep it moving ahead, to show we can work together to create something positive out of this.

I like Tambourine Man's suggestion of what's next. What is it that Autism Speaks can do better to improve the lives of Autistic Adults. Another poster, I believe Jojobean, indicated in one of these Interview threads the need for support programs with Support Dogs, and other needs that I can't think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure it has already been noted by the Autism Speaks organization.

This is not about what next can autism speaks can provide us with. This is about which direction should we should take. What should we do. And to be honest what AFF does changes nothing if it is because of censorship. It just means both sides have done things wrong and people should not associate with them. Now people should find evidence that Autism Speaks does or does not profess to its own standards.
Furthermore don't tell vermont what to do. I don't think he needs a reminder of how to do his job. He has not warranted any such thing.


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So I ask of you, please, Vermont Savant, as forum laison to help us keep the conversation going in a positive direction to hear people's complaints and suggestions, and to help keep any character attacks that are unwarranted out of the conversation, to keep it moving ahead, to show we can work together to create something positive out of this.


I'm not telling Vermont Savant in this statement what to do, I'm asking him politely to help us keep the thread going in a good direction, which he already has been doing a good job of, and also explaining why the thread is important at this point because the input is closed now at AFF, to provide to Autism Speaks.

Tambourine man has already stated that his article was censored at AFF, so there are clearly politics involved, to me it is clear in the thread what led up to it, although you may not see what I see.

Tambourine man is in contact with Autism Speaks and has stated that Autism Speaks is reading and listening to the threads here, and has asked us to act together to provide constructive input as he did in the thread that was closed at AFF. It is our opportunity to present complaints and constructive comments to potentially improve the organizations efforts, if people desire to participate in that effort.

If one sees potential falsehoods in the interview or in the autism speaks organization, it is also an opportunity to ask for further clarifications regarding what one might see as a falsehood.

And beyond that it could be a number of other things, that I haven't thought of, that others will likely bring up.



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23 Sep 2011, 4:17 am

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23 Sep 2011, 4:17 am

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