Sweetleaf wrote:
AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
.....unless society actually changed to match up with such an occurring. But as it stands now it does not really matter who's president because they aren't the one running things.
I very much agree with the first part!

This is a movement from the ground up. Or at least that's the way it should be. That's the way we can really get things done.
And the second, if you mean corporations have too damn much power and unaccountable power, I agree with this too.
Yes that is a large part of it, but I would argue many politicians are perfectly ok with it because they more or less get paid by those running the major corporations.
Yes, people who benefit from the status quo often don't have that much motivation to change things.
Even a discussion such as, it seems as though there are fewer middle-class jobs today as measured by percentage of the population than there were in the 1970s. That seems like it would be a hugely important discussion. But we generally don't have it. Instead, we just blame people who are poor.
Yeah it's those lazy bastards bringing the system down, not the government officials giving into corruption just to make more money or keep their position of power secure. Seriously though I thought the government was supposed to govern as in try to do what's best for the citizens...but it seems all about giving in to corporate interests regardless of how it effects the citizens for more profit and to keep their position of power secure.
And since the "free enterprise" system is perfect by definition, ipso facto, it must be those poor, iresponsible, "lazy" people getting mortgages they can't afford. And the standard "conservative" talking point of blaming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so that it all makes sense according to their world view.
And then we have the charged rhetoric against illegal immigrants. Well, they weren't the ones making decisions for Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers. This is just classic scapegoating. And on this one, I am pretty disappointed with my fellow citizens.
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Okay, there are a couple of openings . . .
I think we have the beginnings of a potentially good discussion about Mitt Romney's time at Bain Capital. And it's kind of gotten to the point where people acknowledge that capitalism involves creative destruction. Okay. And then we can take the discussion to the next level and ask, So, is this a genuinely competitive market with honest feedback and transparency, or is it more something like an oligopoly with a few firms who scratch each other's back?
Immediately after the finance collapse in Sept. 2008, I think people immediately saw that banks "too big to fail" was BS and that we needed to change it. In fact, I've heard people say this was the main take-home lesson. And yet, we haven't done it. What we have done is overlay the existing financial system with new regulation and reporting, complex, hard to understand, maybe on balance a positive thing. But we haven't used Sherman Anti-Trust or similar to break up the big boy banks. And that we surely need to do.
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