Video to show anyone who believes the vaccine 'science'

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Show this to anyone who believes vaccines cause autism

http://siz.io/s/epic-win/v/penn-and-tel ... ons?srctum

What's it say?

I read it's mainly the Bible-Thumpers who think kids should never be vaccinated and try to force it on everyone else. Goooo figure.

that site is swarming with malware FYI.

Man I love NOSCRIPT...

Well I am most definitely not a "bible-thumper", and where is the science in the Penn and teller vid (I didnt click the link but assume it is the one I've seen before where they dance around and take the p out of it?)

Do you not agree that there might be a reason why they wouldn't want people to know if there WAS truth to it. That they wouldn't throw money at trying to put down anyone who preached that immunisation is bad, when it has been an amazing success for humanity?

I think in general immunisation is a good thing, but that mercury and other heavy metals, and some other preservatives, are way too dangerous to be injecting into people. We have no idea of the effect this has on future generations grown in women who had them, yet we are all herded in, or ridiculed if we don't agree that is best for everyone to have them. It should all be taken on a case-by-case basis, and we should feel like we have a choice. The government does not own us, whether they think they do or not. We have as much of a responsibility to investigate and challenge what they tell us as we do to have the jabs for the good of the general population.

I am (tested/diagnosed) with a lot of heavy metal allergies, yet I have been given the MMR and hundreds of other vaccines and medications which contain ridiculous things unnecessarily. It is impossible for our body to process these substances because we haven't evolved needing to. It is very basic biology to know that we use our gut to filter out toxins like these so they DON'T get into our bloodstream. What I want is that the drugs companies are forced to take a teeeeeennny bit of their ridiculous profit, and look into how they effect people differently, the amount of these it is advantageous to give, other ways of creating their medicines (especially the ones given 'automatically' at the moment) and to have a fair way for people to be compensated IF they are proven, as far as the evidence shows, to be harmed by the drugs.

At the moment people can only take these cases to specially set-up secret courts, and this is a gross deviation to how our justice system is supposed to work. You only have to look for 5 mins at the way thalidomide victims were treated (in the uk especially) to see that there is a problem with how drugs companies get special treatment by law, and how even admitted victims of their negligence get no quick resolve, sometimes spending their whole lives trying to get their worries heard/investigated at least.

A few things about the mercury (thimerosal) in vaccines. Thimerosal contains ethyl mercury, which is rapidly eliminated from the body through waste. Thus it does not raise blood mercury above safe levels for infants. Thimerosal in infants study link

Second thing, numerous studies have actually proven that there is no link between vaccines and autism. A large international study was just completed that confirmed yet again that there is no link.
Recent autism and vaccines study link

Thirdly, much of thimerosal was removed from vaccines in late 1990s-2001 because of concerns about mercury. Autism rates are still rising. Vaccinations do not explain that.
Thimerosal removed from childhood vaccines link

Fourth, there are some people (a category in which you probably would have fit in had your heavy metal allergies been known at the time of immunisation), who cannot be vaccinated because they are immunocompromised or too young to have received all the recommended vaccinations. For them, the herd immunity of people who are capable of receiving vaccinations is their only defense against the diseases for which we have vaccines. They can't catch something if there is nothing there for them to catch.

Fifth, as for the cases of brain damage resulting from adverse reactions to vaccinations that resemble autism due to heavy metal allergies, they are rare and thus the benefits far outweigh the risks. Besides, personally, I'd rather have a brain-damaged child than a dead one.

Finally, the full Penn and Teller video (which can be found on youtube) does go through a list of the ingredients in the MMR vaccine and explains the purpose of all the "questionable" ingredients. It turns out that they are not harmful given the small amounts present in vaccines and do need to be in the vaccinations for them to be effective.

my replies in bold...

Ps. I don't know how you can say that these children's problems "resembled" autism. Autism is a neurological disorder, and apart from brain scans the only way we can diagnose it is through the traits/characteristics and symptoms. We dont actually know what causes it, just the EFFECTS if it. If you have found any other way to tell, please let the world know how to tell if it is REAL autism. Give me your life story/family/neonatal history in full and I could tell you how you just resemble an autistic person.

Some children who have confirmed brain damage show symptoms that appear to be very autistic. However, due to the knowledge that they are brain-damaged, an autism diagnosis is ruled out because their specific brain damage already explains the behaviours. There may also be children who are diagnosed with brain damage and autistic tendencies because it is uncertain whether the behaviours are from the brain damage or because of possible autism as well.

I think you may be interested in reading "ret*d Isn't Stupid, Mom" by Sandra Kaufman. Her daughter Nicole was born with brain damage and displayed a fair amount of autistic symptoms but her existing diagnoses of mental retardation and brain-damage were sufficient cause for the behaviours and so she never received an autism diagnosis.

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As for my life story, here is a condensed medical version.
Ages 8 months to 18 months, prescribed Reglan for choking problem while sleeping. Slept semi-upright in car seat to reduce choking.
Age ~2 years, diagnosed with nonspecific developmental delays (speech and walking)
Ages 2-3.5 years, speech and occupational therapy.
Age 3.5 years, evaluation states at chronological age of 3.5, I was functioning at the level of a 2.5 year old.
Ages 3-5, caught up to milestones with therapies. Attended mainstream preschool and readiness kindergarten (pre-kindergarten).
Ages 5-7, mainstream school up to 2nd grade . No further evaluations.
Age 8, tested for ADD/ADHD. Negative.
Ages 9-12, mainstream school through 7th grade.
Age 13, evaluated for inconsistent academic productivity and limited peer interaction. Diagnosed with depression. Referred to behavioural therapist for further evaluation.
Age 14, evaluation by behavioural therapist continued. Diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome.
Ages 13-18, cognitive behaviour therapy to improve social communication and understanding, and to develop realistic post-high school goals.