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20 Jun 2016, 1:57 am

Finding Dory,’ Disability, and Me

Did 'Finding Dory' mock autism with Gerald the sea lion?


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20 Jun 2016, 9:08 am

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Calling all facepalm pics ...


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21 Jun 2016, 7:46 am

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The most glaring and frankly offensive character, though, is Gerald the sea lion. He has synophrys (a “unibrow”), an overbite, and somewhat misaligned eyes. He carries everywhere with him a child’s pail, and clearly reads as having an intellectual disability.
Gerald keeps trying to join the rock where a couple of non-disabled sea lions lay baking in the sun, and there’s enough room for him. But they bully and chase him off. Later, when Marlin and Nemo need Gerald’s pail to travel overland carried by a bird, no one asks Gerald for it. Rather, the non-disabled sea lions bully him and steal the pail.

And this is...apparently okay in the movie? It helps Marlin and Nemo get where they are going. They don’t chide the bullying sea lions.
Gerald never gets his pail back, although he does eventually climb on the rock. Not because the other sea lions invited him. Or realized he was great company. Or came to believe that he deserved a turn on the rock. Rather, because they decided to leave. He cheers himself in a mortifyingly stereotypical way, and the audience cracked up—more at him than with him.

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My 4-year-old responded, “The only disabled one was Gerald!”


Thank you for posting these articles; I have heard other chatter about this movie's treatment of disabilities. I guess autism is the scapegoat disability which it is acceptable to mock.



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21 Jun 2016, 8:48 am

And, these reviews:

http://www.apeekatkarensworld.com/2016/ ... aughs.html

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2 ... ry-trailer

http://www.fox13now.com/2016/06/17/rich ... nding-dory

http://www.pigtailpalsblog.com/2016/06/ ... -and-becky

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-one-thing- ... nding-dory

And, even this review (in which the film's director, Andrew Stanton congratulates himself and Bob Peterson, who created the character of Gerald the Sea Lion):

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movi ... n/86047762

I suspect the minds at Pixar are on red-alert already.


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21 Jun 2016, 9:07 am

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GERALD THE SEA LION

Finding Nemo co-writer Bob Peterson came up with Dory's out-there sea lion Gerald, who is aggressively barked off a resting rock by bigger sea lions Fluke and Rudder.

“Bob’s kind of the Gary Larson of the group, bringing The Far Side element to our special sauce,” Stanton says.

Gerald is a natural scene-stealer with his crazed expression, bushy eyebrows and goofy doggy-paddle swim, even if the other sea lions pick on him.

“Gerald is hilarious and shows there’s a playground pecking order,” says Stanton, who notes that the cheeky sea lion does triumph. “Gerald eventually has his day.”


crazed, goofy, cheeky, picked-on, pecking order

This is outrageous ... Stanton is totally giving bullying and ostracism a pass. And he's presenting this to kids. I will have to watch this movie before I rant further.



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21 Jun 2016, 10:11 am

I read that there was trans character too, how'd that turn out?



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21 Jun 2016, 10:23 am

Jacoby wrote:
I read that there was trans character too, how'd that turn out?

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 81056.html

Apparently, sting-Rhonda has a better time of it on Finding Dory than Gerald the Sea Lion. But, the film's director, Andrew Stanton, was just as ambiguous and seemingly uncaring about the first Disney/Pixar trans* character.


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21 Jun 2016, 10:39 am

Should have larger corneas/pupils, and a more serious demeanor. :wink:

I tried to find clips, of whichever offensive things "Gerald" is doing or saying.

And, all I seem to find is him staring.

That's the gag.

http://zap2it.com/2016/06/finding-dory- ... -autistic/

People ask me questions about spelling, math, directions, ingredients. I fix and invent things, talk myself out trouble, logically, impartially, and fearlessly. I am stronger than most, but much of that is a matter of size.

The seal character could be much more complicated, and interesting, but it's a children's cartoon, of simple lines and bright colors.

There's no nuance, because the movie's not far removed from a dangling mobile, above a crib. That's all it's meant to be. Lighthearted.

SJW's, simple minded people are opportunistic. If you have something they need or want, they look past every impediment. You're focusing on disabilities, rather than abilities, which can have people eating out of your hand. If you're valuable, the cartoon seal isn't going to be a problem.



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21 Jun 2016, 10:50 am

AspieUtah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I read that there was trans character too, how'd that turn out?

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 81056.html

Apparently, sting-Rhonda has a better time of it on Finding Dory than Gerald the Sea Lion. But, the film's director, Andrew Stanton, was just as ambiguous and seemingly uncaring about the first Disney/Pixar trans* character.


I don't know how a stingray can be trans, how is this portrayed in the movie?

SJWs really like to ruin movies btw



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21 Jun 2016, 10:52 am

Sharks and their relatives can be trans, because of parthenogenesis. :roll:

Jacoby wrote:
I read that there was trans character too, how'd that turn out?

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 81056.html

AspieUtah wrote:
Apparently, sting-Rhonda has a better time of it on Finding Dory than Gerald the Sea Lion. But, the film's director, Andrew Stanton, was just as ambiguous and seemingly uncaring about the first Disney/Pixar trans* character.


Celebrity gay, Ellen Degeneres, plays a leading role, but people are more worried about the background character.

Here's a trigger warning, because you're going to be reading some stereotypes.

The owner of a business cares not, what goes on. He doesn't want to know about your personal life or politics. It is only a matter of numbers. What is an asset, what is a liability. The rest is of little concern.

He insults an under-productive employee, to get rid of him.

A gay hairdresser, in Paris, France is called a filthy (gay person.)

The courts found that words are not libel/slander, when factual.

My solution for the employee would have been to do a better job and for the manager to keep the discussion professional.

Every single person, on every last jobsite, everywhere, and for all times, has some personal hangup or sob story.

You're valued for your contributions, not for these illnesses and mistakes, which everyone has.

The same line of discussion applies to churches, schools, and swimming pools. Everyone is some special kind of screwup, or they're fronting. That's the moral of the cartoon story.



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21 Jun 2016, 10:54 am

oh stingray sting-rhonda

I get it now, took me a while



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21 Jun 2016, 11:05 am

Jacoby wrote:
oh stingray sting-rhonda

I get it now, took me a while

:idea:
Ah



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21 Jun 2016, 11:06 am

Sting Rhonda has mannish facial features, scars from electrolysis, and very large feet for a woman...



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21 Jun 2016, 11:08 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
...You're focusing on disabilities, rather than abilities, which can have people eating out of your hand.

How so?



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21 Jun 2016, 11:12 am

Which part of the sentence are we talking about:
abilities / disabilities
people eat out of your hand

Your only way of associating with the seal is that he is autistic.

Maybe, the seal is a mathematician or acrobatic ninja.

Maybe, he's just passive/neutral.

But, all we have to say about him, is he has a disease of some kind.



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21 Jun 2016, 11:27 am

I really don't understand what you are talking about; but Gerald is a sea lion, not a seal.