John Oliver debunks the myth about vaccination causing autis

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John Oliver discussing the importance of vaccinations...
He also debunks the myth about vaccination causing autism...
Pauline Hanson, please take note...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98YYENIHSTU

So, truth comes from the mouth of a comedian?!? How so? Don't humans have the right to decline being injected with whatever medication(s) they wish to avoid regardless of their reason(s)? Give me penicillin, and watch me risk death within minutes. Should I be required to take penicillin just because a well-paid comedian pretends to agree with some physician who believes that I should do so? Do I care what the comedian intends or who he even is? At what point does my personal choice matter? Please notice that I amn't discussing the autism angle to this matter; my argument remains the same regardless of the medication or the reason. Outside North Korea and other totalitarian nations, humans have the right to choose what medications they allow to be injected into themselves. This constitutional fact defines the matter, not a professional fool.

Statistics favor vaccination.

Don't hold back...<chuckle>

Very passionate...
I don't have a problem with your "right" to have your own opinion...

Just curious, did you watch the entire youtube clip?
I found the example of what happened in France pertinent...

Learnt something in the podcast:
- When the herd immunity fell to as high as 89% <sic>, the epidemic erupted...
- The originator of the study linking vaccinations with autism was disbarred from being a doctor because he manipulated the study, etc...
- That study involved 12 individuals as opposed to empirical data involving hundreds of thousand which found no correlation/connection...
-Did you note how the problem of polio was overcome through extensive inoculations?

All old news, but/and pretty convincing...
If you have information refuting what he said, you could always post it in this thread...
Or are you solely concerned about freedom of choice...
BTW, I was under the impression vaccination is encouraged but not forced...

Yes, John Oliver is a comedian...
And we all know, comedians are incapable of correlating information...
But I do like the show/man so I posted here...

edit: Maybe should be for another thread, my response that is.

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He is paid.

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Anything independent, plz ftlog.

It is more than having the right to an opinion. It is about the right of all individuals to have nothing done to their bodies that they don't accept (see the U.S. Supreme Court and personal choice based on a 'right to privacy under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion'). When I read and reread the same tired arguments along the lines of "anti-vaxxers" being too stupid to breath, I enjoy reminding the arguers about the established and longstanding precedent of medical decisions being left to individuals not collectives of people who would rather the decision be made by them.

By the way, who knows about John Oliver's taxes ( http://observer.com/2017/05/john-oliver ... cam-trump/ )? Considering his recent actions resembling President Trump's former business actions, I would doubt anything he has to say about most topics, comedic or otherwise.

I think, the concept of dependent discussion and dependent research are mythical; there is always going to be a confirmation bias, which favors the money interest.

Anyone, who feels they are entitled to an opinion, as an ideologue or pundit, should have to earn that right, on their own. Are these medical claims just an echo, between their ears, coming out their mouths. Test and demonstrate the claims. Don't try to be a celebrity.

It would be an exotic, intellectual, tinkerer's paradise, if people actually had to back up so many ideas, materially. You would not have the time, to cause activistic annoyances and mental breakdowns, but would literally have to produce something of socially-redeeming value.

To simply make something, was one of the best pieces of grumpy old man advice, hands down.

No matter what side you take, show me something. I'll think you were clever. (Preferably, in the way of reproducable, scalable, intellectual property.)

This is just my impression but you seem to be argumentative...
Wherever possible I prefer to agree with people and add to my knowledge base...
Refer to my signature: "Give me a better argument and I will listen..."
To date, you don't seem to be presenting a better argument...
You are more intent on "playing the man rather than playing the ball..."

Perhaps you missed what I posted previously on this thread:"BTW, I was under the impression vaccination is encouraged but not forced..."
If you have evidence to the contrary, could you please provide a link?
You seem to be attacking something that doesn't apply to this discussion...

As I pointed out above, I learned a few things from the youtube video...
It was never my intention to rub anyone the wrong way...
As always, it is my intention to get to the truth...
Once again, make a convincing argument and I will listen...

I've come across this sort of argument before...
While the principle does involve "credibility" of what is being said and who is saying it, you don't have to be an expert in the field to simply disseminate credible information...

I have no emotional connection with what John Oliver is saying...
If he is wrong I want to know about it because I will always give priority to the truth rather than any form of NT tribal type loyalty...
If people can provide evidence that his compilation of the facts is fallacious, for the love of god, the anti Christ or me please tell me!

Play nice...
Play the ball and not the man...

If people have a "right" to refuse vaccinations, I believe doctors, employers, schools, et. al. have the "right" to refuse unvaccinated people access to their facilities/services.

I'm currently transferring to a new college, and they require me to show proof I've had two MMR vaccines. If anti-vaxxers don't like it, tough. There's no "right" to go to college.

You don't have a right to risk spreading disease by refusing to get yourself vaccinated unless you have a valid medical reason like an allergy (which is rare) or an immune deficiency, just like you don't have the right to get in your car drunk and risk the safety of others by driving while intoxicated. Human beings have rights but they also have responsibilities (like paying taxes), because we live in community groups. Helping to ensure herd immunity by getting vaccinated against preventable diseases is one of those responsibilities. If you don't want any responsibilities to your community then go live in a cabin on a mountain and never see another human being again. Otherwise, shut up and get your shots.

The laws of most states disagree with you. In my state, at least, it is relatively simple to apply for vaccination exemptions for children, and it is even easier for adults to do the same. In fact, there are no such exemptions in law for adults because they are able to agree or disagree to vaccinations without having to sign "papers" to prove it. Our state laws on the matter are designed to support medical, personal and religious choice.

I'm pretty sure your personal choice matters more when you're not affecting others.

You have the right to smoke on your own property where it doesn't affect me, but I have the right not to get cancer from your second hand smoke out in public at work, on an airplane, or in a restaurant. You also have the right to go smoke in a private cigar club and have a nice meal there with other people who are smoking.

You have the right to own a gun but you don't have the right to go to McDonalds and leave your gun sitting loaded on a table where a kid might be able to pick it up and shoot people while you're using the restroom. You could probably do that many times without anyone getting hurt but it still isn't allowed.

It's the same thing with driving drunk. Even if you regularly drive drunk, you probably haven't killed anyone. You may have a lot of friends who also drive drunk. Maybe none of them have killed anyone either. You say, "it's my right to put whatever I want in my body and I've never killed anyone and I most likely won't ever kill anyone and most accidents don't even involve alcohol." But you, your friends, and everyone else who drives drunk collectively increase the risk that I will die from an accident that wouldn't have happened if you guys took an uber or just stayed home.

If you want to stay locked in your home and not interact with anyone, sure I'd say go ahead and not get vaccinated. But when you're infringing on the rights of others, it's no longer about your own personal rights.


That may be true, but we didn't really need any laws before because people used to grow up in a time where they actually witnessed friends and people they know die or almost die from diseases and to them vaccines were a no brainer. Also, it used to be legal to do a lot of the things I just gave examples of (like driving drunk or smoking in public.) It also used to be legal to drive your kids around without seatbelts, much less car seats.

Which "rights of others" am I infringing? My medical, personal and religious exemptions from vaccination are protected by my state (and most other states). Others in my state who disagree with me, and others like me, are able to be vaccinated any time they choose to do so. They are presumably immunized against the kinds of common infectious diseases that exist in my state. If so, what risk do I pose to them? Are vaccinations not "safe and effective" as we have been told repeatedly? Please understand that I amn't making the autism connection in any of my writings except those wherein I explain my understanding of a probable misunderstanding by a relative few parents who see something that isn't what they believe it is.

But, the idea that medical, personal and religious choice ends at the vaccination-clinic door makes our nation, at least, a little bit more totalitarian, doesn't it? Is that fact concerning even among those who oppose vaccination-exemption laws? It should be, or the next sacred cow to fail scrutiny might be their own.

What about the people who would choose to get vaccinated if they could, but can't due to their immune system being already compromised? When you choose not to get vaccinated, you increase your chances of catching a preventable disease and passing it to them, potentially ending their lives. Doing your part to ensure herd immunity by getting vaccinated if you can is your moral obligation as a human being living amongst other human beings.