How do I not hate Australia nor its people?
I unfortunately lived here all my life; yes its a relatively safe country and that its 1st world, but to me at least.. Most Australians seem to; dislike anyone who aren't authoritarianly nationalistic nor multiculturalist (since I'm a voluntaryist), that my interest in guns is very taboo in our culture (unless I disliked "assault" weapons), that mental health isn't thought of enough, and that our people may not have much depth to them. I don't really have any passions nor interests aside from guns, philsophy, and music (I play traditional country music and I occasionally songwrite).. Although I'm not sure if music is really a passion for me since I'm rather afraid of publishing or performing music in public, and that I can't sing too well.
Sorry that I'm judgemental about this country, I don't know how to enjoy this place with all the problems I mentioned above :/ I noticed I've argued quite a lot with Australians recently who tried to help me so that's why I want to ask in here. I feel I have a problem but please don't hurt me for it, I'm trying to ask what to do okay?
TimS1980
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Good on you for reaching out, hopefully I can offer a sympathetic perspective.
One thing about growing up in Aus on the spectrum, I found, was that it sometimes grated when I found myself subjected to apparently irrational, stupid or overly restrictive rules.
Examples I can think of now include:
20kph or 30kph road work speed limits when travelling to SA.
A no-u-turn sign in a spot where I could safely turn.
These still bug me today. What's made them tolerable is when I fully reflected on how those rules came to be.
Generally, someone made them conscientiously. The social melee played out for many years. People acted egregiously badly in a few cases.
Here's the rub.
Rules in society are a net benefit, when we consider the forms of nasty behavior some folks would happily engage in if not pulled up for it. Rules, however, only work when they are made for everybody. They stop working if someone gets to claim "oh, that rule isn't for me".
We know of some rare cases in Australia where people behaved egregiously badly and guns were involved. Statistically in terms of gun deaths per capita, it's self evident that America has it far worse.
Try reflecting on the above, maybe you'll find something there that helps.
I'll address the comments about society and the people, as someone who's grown up here but had a few years' opportunity to sample some other cultures.
We're far from perfect, of course, there are examples of more-enlightened behavior, across multiple social dimensions, in pockets the world over.
Generally, though, many societies struggle to keep their stuff together as much as we've managed to. America has its demons. Europe isn't perfect. Nordic countries do some things well but lack in some respects. To really appreciate what we have here, just try and go (or imagine) make a living in Somalia or even Greece.
Here's hoping that might sort-of help..?
Comments welcome.
Sorry that I'm judgemental about this country, I don't know how to enjoy this place with all the problems I mentioned above :/ I noticed I've argued quite a lot with Australians recently who tried to help me so that's why I want to ask in here. I feel I have a problem but please don't hurt me for it, I'm trying to ask what to do okay?
I agree, Australians can be very judgey about things like guns, but it might depend on where you live in Australia. I live in regional Queensland which is full of rednecks, mines, cows, gun lovers and Pauline Hason voters. But not many philosophy or music buffs, unless we are taking about Cold Chisel and 80's Aussi rock
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Sorry that I'm judgemental about this country, I don't know how to enjoy this place with all the problems I mentioned above :/ I noticed I've argued quite a lot with Australians recently who tried to help me so that's why I want to ask in here. I feel I have a problem but please don't hurt me for it, I'm trying to ask what to do okay?
I agree, Australians can be very judgey about things like guns, but it might depend on where you live in Australia. I live in regional Queensland which is full of rednecks, mines, cows, gun lovers and Pauline Hason voters. But not many philosophy or music buffs, unless we are taking about Cold Chisel and 80's Aussi rock
Although most of Australia is likely the same (even lots of our gun owners are close-minded fudds).. Maybe there's a few more freedom-oriented Australians than I may think, and exactly. Our people are so shallow.
Instead, treat them like business rivals and drive them into bankruptcy.
I know its not a good way to deal with trauma and anxiety from them, however.. I don't know how to not resent this place when mainly bad applies to me.
One thing about growing up in Aus on the spectrum, I found, was that it sometimes grated when I found myself subjected to apparently irrational, stupid or overly restrictive rules.
Examples I can think of now include:
20kph or 30kph road work speed limits when travelling to SA.
A no-u-turn sign in a spot where I could safely turn.
These still bug me today. What's made them tolerable is when I fully reflected on how those rules came to be.
Generally, someone made them conscientiously. The social melee played out for many years. People acted egregiously badly in a few cases.
Here's the rub.
Rules in society are a net benefit, when we consider the forms of nasty behavior some folks would happily engage in if not pulled up for it. Rules, however, only work when they are made for everybody. They stop working if someone gets to claim "oh, that rule isn't for me".
We know of some rare cases in Australia where people behaved egregiously badly and guns were involved. Statistically in terms of gun deaths per capita, it's self evident that America has it far worse.
Try reflecting on the above, maybe you'll find something there that helps.
I'll address the comments about society and the people, as someone who's grown up here but had a few years' opportunity to sample some other cultures.
We're far from perfect, of course, there are examples of more-enlightened behavior, across multiple social dimensions, in pockets the world over.
Generally, though, many societies struggle to keep their stuff together as much as we've managed to. America has its demons. Europe isn't perfect. Nordic countries do some things well but lack in some respects. To really appreciate what we have here, just try and go (or imagine) make a living in Somalia or even Greece.
Here's hoping that might sort-of help..?
Comments welcome.
Thanks, and I know you're trying to help.. Sorry to say this, but us being severely disarmed by force has increased violence over time in conjunction with our people becoming more stupid partially because of being under so many regulations as if we're children. I haven't hurt anybody so why should I be punished for actions of a few? It feels disgusting, even if it actually does help with safety, I shouldn't be forced to follow it if I don't agree with it. Its unethical. I didn't say Australia is the worst either, I'm not sure if you're trolling but hating this place does not mean I equate it to a third world country. With regards to Somalia and Greece, government made those places worse.. Not freedom. Somalia isn't actually anarchist, its divided into a few countries (one is a western government while the other ones are either criminal or Islamically Wahhabist/extremist) and Greece's economy is worse from economic mismanagement from government. Nothing to do with anarchy.
Funnily, I had the opposite problem. I was taught to shoot a gun at the age of 10, in the outback, down near Narrabri. I wound up involved in a long-term relationship with a childhood sweetheart who became military(Navy) and is very into guns. He has seen action in Iraq. I'm not into weapons at all, but am surrounded with Australian family and friends who are. One friend I've had since the age of 7, has her own very successful hunting business, alongside her husband. Not my thing. Maybe you need to strike a conversation with some Army/Navy types on nights out(if you go out to hear live bands etc) at your local. If you want to talk guns etc, you'd maybe be better off joining forums on that interest. Bound to find like-minded people there. Otherwise, maybe focus more on the topics of music and philosophy if you're looking for more positive, easy-going talk and friendship... I say this as an Aussie, who now lives in England
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Melbournian here....where do you live?
My impression is the burbs aren't gun friendly but that's got nothing to do with the people but rather with gun ownership and usage regulations. If you live in rural Australia you got plenty of gun lovers like yourself.
Most Australians like music, again country music has a strong following in the bush
Philosophy, science and the arts
Using the Harry potter anology - populated by the worst form of muggles....boring, elitist and cliquish as f**k
If you have passions I would go overseas like the UK
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