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21 Jan 2020, 1:54 am

One of the fears of autistic rights activists is that, if an autism "cure" were to be found, autistic people would be bureaucratically compelled to take it as a condition of receiving health care of any other kind.

It turns out that the British NHS, apparently, has already been doing this with medications for another developmental disability -- ADHD. I just now came across the following:

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Lily kept being prescribed drugs to treat ADHD. “My daughter was so high she got about five days’ worth of words out in about two minutes,” Chivers says, but was told by the NHS that if they refused the drugs they’d be discharged from the system.

The above, pertaining to an autistic girl who was misdiagnosed with ADHD, is a quote from the article The underdiagnosis of autism in girls is a story of gender inequality - WIRED, which I found quoted in an old WP thread Autistic Girls Are Undiagnosed, Underserved And Misunderstoo.

Speaking of ADHD (which affects many more people than ASD does), I think there really needs to be more research into better medications for ADHD. Currently, ADHD kids are given highly addictive stimulants. Yikes!

I also think that ADHD medications of any kind should be reserved for the most severely affected kids, and that, for other kids with ADHD, improvements to the educational system could probably be much better. In the computer age, surely it's possible to ditch traditional classrooms in favor of much more individualized curricula for everyone.


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21 Jan 2020, 2:26 am

as in forced vaccination?
mind your counterintel-agent 8)

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21 Jan 2020, 8:50 am

As far as ADHD is concerned some of these kids are violent both in class and home.

Would many tollerate being puched in the face every day by their co workers or partners? An everyday reality for some parents / teachers of adhd kids.

Some of these kids are not small either but the victims usually femail are, so sometimes medication is necessary, not that it hasnt been over given or mistakes in places.

As far as forced autism cure is concerned i guess it would depend on level of functionality.

Ive said before does your gov care if you go to a library rather than a nightclub - no

do they care that 1 in 59 will prob not be talkshow hoasts and may have socialising difficulties? Do they care about the alcoholics, prostitutes and drug addicts that roam around homeless on the streets? Is it a major talking point on your news at the moment, are your politicians running round to fix the issue?

The answer is no they dont care, they are too interested in making money and maintaining their own power, so what makes you think they'll care about someone who lives independently, working and can support themselves?

You may actually find that many are only too happy to discourage vulnerable peoples from being treated so they can be easily manipulated and used.

"So you opted for no treatment for you autism well good for you, here's a broom and a min wage job, while you're at it the resturant down the road need a dishwasher 16 hours a day, they tend to forget to pay you though."

"Also vote for him the corrupt slimebag politician he said he loves autistic people, you know he'll look after you."


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21 Jan 2020, 9:25 am

carlos55 wrote:
As far as ADHD is concerned some of these kids are violent both in class and home.

Would many tollerate being puched in the face every day by their co workers or partners? An everyday reality for some parents / teachers of adhd kids.

Some of these kids are not small either but the victims usually femail are, so sometimes medication is necessary, not that it hasnt been over given or mistakes in places.

Mona Pereth wrote:
I also think that ADHD medications of any kind should be reserved for the most severely affected kids

Apparently, you do agree with each other ;)

I myself would choose medication for my kid as the last resort. First, I try to find noninvasive solutions and accommodations, psychological help, teachers aide, finding tips and tricks that work.

In the case of Lily Mona quoted, the medication was clearly misprescribed and if the British system does not handle such cases, it's the British system's general fault. Or is it the mother's inability to talk the issue through with her daughter's doc and find another doc if they doesn't listen? Too little information to tell.
It's not only about ADHD or autism, medication often has unwanted effects and needs to be changed, readjusted or even completely given up because of such effects.


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21 Jan 2020, 2:20 pm

magz wrote:
Apparently, you do agree with each other

I myself would choose medication for my kid as the last resort. First, I try to find noninvasive solutions and accommodations, psychological help, teachers aide, finding tips and tricks that work.


Yes i agree with mona that drugs should be a last resort only after all avenues have been exhausted. Sadly like a lot of things in mental health these things are sometimes necessary where violence or risk to life is present. :(


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21 Jan 2020, 7:07 pm

The girl in the quoted article was not said to be violent. She was said to have "meltdowns," but it's not clear what that meant in terms of behavior, if anything, beyond crying or screaming.


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