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18 Jan 2020, 2:26 am

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A ground-breaking study on a new experimental pill for people with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is currently underway in Toronto, but the community remains divided on its use.

Drug manufacturer Hoffmann-La Roche has commissioned an international research study for Balovaptan, a drug that could potentially help people on the spectrum manage everyday social and communication challenges better.

“It’s regulating hormones in our brain that have to do with how we perceive the social world, whether we understand social cues, how we relate to other people, and how we develop close bonds and relationships,” said Dr. Evdokia Anagnostou, the study’s lead researcher at Toronto’s Holland-Bloorview Kids Rehabilitation Hospital.

“The idea would be, people who have difficulty with everyday social functions, may have one more potential option for thinking of interventions, if they choose to use them.”

One of the Canadian sites participating in the study is the Autism Research Center at Holland-Bloorview, which launched the 40-week clinical trial to determine whether or not the drug can be effective. Dr. Anagnostou and her team began enrolling participants 18 years of age and older this past summer – half of them will be given the drug, while the other half will take a placebo.

Dr. Anagnostou, who is a Senior Clinician Scientist at the hospital, said participants in the study must undergo a process to determine whether or not they are the right fit. They speak with a physician to discuss their history, express their priorities, and get an understanding of the study, including the risks and benefits. Once approved, the patients take a daily dose of the medication, and are regularly monitored by staff.

“Although we know quite a bit about its safety, we don’t have a final decision on it, so we monitor people closely,” said Dr. Anagnostou. “They come and visit us every couple of weeks, they have blood work, they speak with the physician and psychologist.”

Once the participants have completed their six-month trial, they’ll have the option of continuing to take the drug for up to two years, in order to make the process more equitable, Dr. Anagnostou explains. That would allow researchers to collect more data in that time period, and allow an opportunity to try the medication for everyone who agreed to participate in the study.

The Autism community remains divided on the drug, as one disability rights group in Ontario has raised concerns around whether or not the pill is ethical.

Autistics 4 Autistics Ontario (A4A) is a self-advocacy group for adults with autism, calling for reform to autism funding and services at the federal and provincial levels. Anne Borden, a member of the province’s A4A executive board, tells CityNews the organization opposes the drug and the research, saying it could prey upon people’s hopes and dreams.

“Who is this benefiting?” Borden asks. “This kind of research represents a very old way of approaching autism, looking at autistic people like they’re a problem to be solved or sort of a broken version of normal, rather than taking a position of acceptance.”

Borden said developing a pill for this purpose speaks to the dignity of people with autism, and can negatively affect how they are treated and perceived. She called this a “profit-generating” pill that may put “people from a vulnerable population” at risk, adding that there are ethical questions rooted in its very existence.

“There’s a deep psychological impact when all the people in your life are constantly trying to fix you for who you are and, in this case, gives you a pill to make you act differently,” Borden said.

“It’s not looking at communication as a two-way street. Whereas other ideas like inclusion, accessibility, communication, dialogue, and research into the access needs of autistic people will do that.”

Dr. Anagnostou, who also works in the Department of Pediatrics at the University of Toronto, is aware of the criticism, but said there’s already a wide variety of work being done to understand the needs of adults, and how to produce an equitable environment for them. She notes that it’s important to give adults with ASD the same options as others who have neurological conditions.

In fact, not allowing these treatments to be developed, she argues, would be a questionably ethical decision.

“I would say that the ethical thing to do is to provide people with options about how to improve their well-being and their functioning, and autism isn’t a place where everybody has the same opinion of their condition,” she said.

“There are lots of people with autism who are actually asking for medications. Our position is that it is our responsibility to develop options and help patients make decisions that are appropriate to them, their families and their whole value systems.”

The research, she adds, has also been well-endorsed by families and advocacy groups. In recent years, an exercise funded by the Ontario Brain Institute led a study on what priorities were important for people living with neurodevelopmental disorders, as well as their families, caregivers, and health and education professionals.

Over 250 people participated in the surveys, identifying a list of 10 areas that they wanted researchers to focus on. Among the defined areas, respondents said they wanted researchers to develop interventions that would help improve their social skills, and develop and maintain social relationships.

“Autism Spectrum Disorder is defined by some difficulties in social functions and understanding of the social world. Not everyone experiences distress by it but a lot of people do,” Dr. Anagnostou said. “For people who do experience distress from not having the set of tools that are making navigating the social world easier, we want to make it easier.”

One of the groups that participated in the exercise is Autism Ontario, which represents families across the province. The group said these clinical trials are beneficial to advance research in the field and understanding what drugs and interventions are helpful are a defined priority for adults impacted by various neurodevelopmental conditions.

“The process that’s involved in conducting this clinical trial has gone through an ethics review,” said Margaret Spoelstra, the Executive Director of Autism Ontario. “When we do clinical trials, we can really pay attention to some of those variables that may have an impact on our consideration on future drugs.”

Borden also expresses concern that the drug will be used on people who don’t have the capacity to give informed consent and it would be left in the hands of their primary guardians, most likely their parents.

“Is it really going to help you connect with your child as they are for who they are, in a way where you really have a connection,” she said. “Or is it a magic pill that isn’t really going to bring you any closer or improve the life of your child. That’s the question I think all parents need to be asking themselves.”

Spoelstra, who supports the work Dr. Anagnostou and her team are doing at Holland-Bloorview, said questions around consent are important so that people can have access to details around how the drug would work and what risks it would come with.

“All of that information will need to be made available in a way that’s understandable by the person taking the drugs, by their families who support them and by any clinicians who are involved,” she said. “If there are any challenges, there’s a mechanism that those can be recorded.”

There are at least two streams of clinical trials currently underway in several countries, including in Canada.

The first is taking place at nearly a dozen international sites, involving children with ASD between the ages of two and four. The other focuses on adults with ASD at 55 study locations,
including in British Columbia, Quebec and Ontario. There are 350 participants in the phase three clinical trial that is expected to be completed by March 31, 2023.

Over the years, concern has been raised over the lack of resources and funding available to adults with autism, and not many support for those who transition to adulthood. Dr. Anagnostou says this research is an opportunity to think about interventions for adults and developing solutions that are accessible for them.

“Adults are not big children. Their bodies and brains change with time and their priorities and wishes change with times,” Dr. Anagnostou said. “It’s important to think about interventions in adults, by thinking about what adults want and what their biologies look like.”

Though Dr. Anagnostou said they won’t have the results for another couple of years and adds the research itself is unique because there haven’t been any success stories of its kind, despite numerous efforts that would allow those who want it, to live “more meaningful lives in the way they choose to.”

“There has been no medication approved for the treatment or the assistance with social deficits in ASD,” said Dr. Anagnostou. “We haven’t been successful yet. This is part of a larger set of research programs that tries to find solutions for people who want to have help with social skills in adulthood.”

There are four phases to a clinical trial, as explained by Dr. Anagnostou, who also adds that this one compound has come the furthest among anything else they have. However, she states it’s important to acknowledge that this drug is years away from hitting the market. And there is a possibility that, at the end, results may indicate that it isn’t effective after all.

“My hope is that we create a suite of potential interventions, from medicines to psycho-social interventions, technologies, and environmental modifications to improve the lives of people with ASD,” she said. “That are accessible so people can get them when they need them and when they want them.”


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If functional adults want to voluntarily participate in a very preliminary experiment on a drug that alters the hormones in their brains while I find their choice reckless it is their choice so experimenting on them is ethical if the ethical guideline are followed.

Doing such a preliminary experiment on the brains of 2 to 4 years olds is horrific. Besides the obvious that they can’t consent there are a whole bunch of negative assumptions about the future of young children being made by the parents, guardians and researchers. With the adults that volunteered part of that future has arrived and they don’t like it.

Putting on my tinfoil hat I suspect the adult portion of the experiment is there to provide an ethical cover for the childrens experiments. It is a way saying without saying it directly don’t listen to all the outlier ND advocates, look at all the adults that hate their autism.


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18 Jan 2020, 4:17 am

For once I am in favour of tin foil hats, given your final paragraph.

Also, the promoter makes a lot of noise but there is no real information about the drug or how it works there. Possibly pitching for attention, publicity and funding. At our expense.

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Possibly this pitching researcher is planning on using Vasopressin, which others have already explored. It can have some serious physical side effects. Here's the Wikipedia summary, scroll down for adverse side effects which make uncomfortable reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin



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18 Jan 2020, 5:01 am

B19 wrote:
Possibly this pitching researcher is planning on using Vasopressin, which others have already explored. It can have some serious physical side effects. Here's the Wikipedia summary, scroll down for adverse side effects which make uncomfortable reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin


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Balovaptan (INN; developmental code name RG7314), is a selective small molecule antagonist of the vasopressin V1A receptor which is under development by Roche for the treatment of autism. As of August 2019, it is in a phase III clinical trial for adults and a phase II clinical trial for children for this indication.On 29 January 2018, Roche announced that the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had granted Breakthrough Therapy Designation for balovaptan in individuals with autism spectrum disorder (ASD).The FDA granted this based on the results of the adult phase II clinical trial called VANILLA (Vasopressin ANtagonist to Improve sociaL communication in Autism) study.


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18 Jan 2020, 10:54 am

Sexism in autism research (sampling bias) should not be tolerated and yet is not even challenged in autism studies. Roche study 2019 on this:

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There are no approved pharmacological therapies to address the core symptoms of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), namely, persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction and the presence of restricted, repetitive patterns of behaviors, interests, or activities. The neuropeptide vasopressin has been implicated in the regulation of social behaviors, and its modulation has emerged as a therapeutic target for ASD. The phase 2 VANILLA clinical trial reported here evaluated balovaptan, an orally administered selective vasopressin V1a receptor antagonist, in 223 men with ASD and intelligence quotient ≥70

.. If you start with sampling bias, then you get unreliable results. But why would Roche care about that, given their mercenary objectives? It is disgraceful.

https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/d ... m-studies/



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18 Jan 2020, 12:12 pm

The drug is inherently changing how an autistic person's brain works. If this drug were to be released to the public in the future, I suspect that it will be marketed in the same way as, say, "medical" devices backed only by pseudoscience, even if the drug itself was backed by actual science. It will probably be described with sensational words like "revolutionary" or "groundbreaking" and other words to entice consumers.

This satirical article by The Onion is a perfect example of such marketing tactics:

Revolutionary New Insoles Combine Five Forms Of Pseudoscience

I'm sorry if I may have missed the point here; what I'm trying to say is that the drug may be marketed in unethical ways if it were to be approved for public use.


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18 Jan 2020, 12:35 pm

It probably would be. In autism "treatments", the bar of so-called evidence is set so low that almost anything leaps over it, so that the "treatments" can be marketed (touted) as "evidence based". Sadly (for us) politicians, parents and the public accept these claims readily without any critical insight whatsoever.

When a minority group is dehumanised, they are not seen as deserving of the same standards as the dominant population. They are seen as deserving of lower standards, and expected to be more grateful for it.



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18 Jan 2020, 12:52 pm

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Dr. Anagnostou, who is a Senior Clinician Scientist at the hospital, said participants in the study must undergo a process to determine whether or not they are the right fit.


That seems like cherry picking people to arrive at a desired result to me. "Sorry you haven't got the right balance of ASD symptoms to take part in this study"



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18 Jan 2020, 1:00 pm

Yes, it is cherrypicking, because all of the "possibles group" have already been officially diagnosed.

It's always instructive to find out who is funding any autism research. However this is not always transparent. It should be.

Conflicts of interest bias research too:

https://www.drugwatch.com/featured/clin ... dden-data/



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18 Jan 2020, 3:00 pm

Maybe it will work maybe it won’t, personally I’m not a great fan of lifelong pill popping, I prefer the potential idea of a permanent solution such as gene editing although if it helps some people then that’s great.

Typical of some extremists in neurodiversity in being more interested in the identity politics of power & identity (really their power & identity) than something that can potentially change lives for the better, a great example why identity politics has no place in a medical disorder.

Perhaps the greatest irony in that they pretend to care about someone’s feelings at them feeling like they have a problem that needs fixing, but not the pain, depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts of having the medical problem in the first place!


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18 Jan 2020, 3:39 pm

Am I the only one who wants something that would help me socially and is unhappy that those who are happy with their autism and don't want to change anything about it may protest loudly enough that the opportunity is never actually presented to those of us who do want it, even though it exists? (ducks to avoid flying objects)

I get the issue with using something that changes a part of oneself and probably comes with some downsides on someone who can't give consent, and I agree that that shouldn't be done, but what I don't understand is why that means nobody should get the opportunity to try it. I guess maybe just because they don't make as much money from just selling it to consenting adults and just can't resist also (or primarily) marketing toward parents of autistic children? That's another thing that gets on my nerves, but that's a whole nother topic.


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18 Jan 2020, 3:47 pm

If they actually have a pill that can do what they say it does it's worth them testing, that part doesn't bother me.

What I do worry about is that it'll become the next Prozac for social anxiety in pretty much anyone including those on the autistic spectrum. My guess - socializing and personality are so complex that these changes in hormones and said benefits from that will hit a wall fast.


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19 Jan 2020, 4:52 am

Just social? Social behaviors? Really? :lol:


Nothing about internal regulations; sensory, emotional or otherwise that would make one more functional than overwhelmed or misinterpreted? Just messing off the reward system for socializing?

Nothing related to specific processes that may be relevant to learning disabilities and memory?
Nothing about the potentials of self-improvement and care, of daily living and possible independence?
Nothing about having the processing power to take unfiltered sensory systems into something less debilitating, nor grant sensory systems that would level an autistic the same sensory reality to most NTs?
Nothing about fixing speech and language issues related to physical (dyspraxia) or something more verbal in nature (aphasia)?
Nothing about the adult's past traumas, nor the children's possible sensitivity that may lead into trauma? One knew that just being social won't prevent these things, yes?


If it's a drug that does more than just social -- I may wanna see more in depth. Ethics or no, data is still data that may favor whatever's benefiting from it.
If it's not, then don't mind me while I'm just gonna laugh at the corner if it's a success -- don't ask why, except just imagining some people running in circles.
Or maybe mourn or laugh harder if it fails, but who am I do to that for anyone who risked themselves for that? Reckless, desperate, brave -- didn't matter if they deserve respect or a lecture, they just started it, do it and some just took it.

It's just another gamble watching to me -- I do not worry about the outcome or any potential changes because I'm more than ready for it. :skull: So, I'd look forward to it. :twisted:


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20 Jan 2020, 9:01 am

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Am I the only one who wants something that would help me socially and is unhappy that those who are happy with their autism and don't want to change anything about it may protest loudly enough that the opportunity is never actually presented to those of us who do want it, even though it exists? (ducks to avoid flying objects)

I get the issue with using something that changes a part of oneself and probably comes with some downsides on someone who can't give consent, and I agree that that shouldn't be done, but what I don't understand is why that means nobody should get the opportunity to try it. I guess maybe just because they don't make as much money from just selling it to consenting adults and just can't resist also (or primarily) marketing toward parents of autistic children? That's another thing that gets on my nerves, but that's a whole nother topic.


No your not the only one, but what we desire is a mortal sin against the ideology of neurodiversity.

Basically all neurological makeup is divine (in a non religious humanist way) and any physical change to it is a grave sin against the movement.

Its all on page 4564 of the ND bible at the back in small print ( you may need a magnifying glass) under the title "Turkeys love thanksgiving".

Basically you sign up and your given a useless "identity" that 99% of the world population will see as totally irrelevant and wont change your day to day life or functionality one bit, in exchange you agree that some self appointed leader of the movement (usually very high functioning, usually working, living independently and in a relationship will screem "dont touch my autism nazi" at any scientific establishment that works to help you gain a normal life and life expectancy.This in the hope to frustrate any development of any treatment of course.

So the 200k a year maths proffessor gets his "identity" to tell all his work collegues about while little johnny stays imprissioned in a brain that doesnt work properly, until he dies of some stress related disorder about middle age in some residential care facility staffed by min wage neurotypicals. Just so you know.


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06 Feb 2020, 4:39 am

Everyone's freaking out, I don't understand what the big deal is. This doesn't look different from other drugs that have been developed to treat problems in behavior and functioning. We frequently have problems with executive functioning and attention, but I don't see anyone getting this worked up over Ritalin.

Do we want to not understand social functioning? Is this the goal of the ASD community? Messing with "hormones in the brain is dangerous" may be valid, but throwing in a jumble of medication without really knowing what you're doing is also kind of how psychiatry works. Polypharmacy, for example, is frequently the rule, even in young children, even though it's poorly studied. It is how it is. Psych meds aren't exactly new.

I also don't know about the measures the patients are improving on. Social anxiety? Social reasoning? Reciprocity? Why are holding onto those things so important? I also don't buy the idea that you'll be "as good as dead" if you gain the ability to socially reason better. Tons of drugs target specific behavior, and while many people are not fans of them, they do not all describe themselves as "as good as dead".

tl;dr: it is unclear what the objection to improved social functioning is from the neurodiverse community. Are the studies dangerous? Yes, but...psychiatry is dangerous. These studies do not seem exceptional in psychiatric research.


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06 Feb 2020, 6:45 am

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Everyone's freaking out, I don't understand what the big deal is. This doesn't look different from other drugs that have been developed to treat problems in behavior and functioning. We frequently have problems with executive functioning and attention, but I don't see anyone getting this worked up over Ritalin.

tl;dr: it is unclear what the objection to improved social functioning is from the neurodiverse community. Are the studies dangerous? Yes, but...psychiatry is dangerous. These studies do not seem exceptional in psychiatric research.

That experimentation and casual prescription of powerful drugs to young children is normal is a problem that a lot more people should be freaking out about.

We are freaking out with this experiment because this is an Autism forum. People do complain about drugs turning children into zombies, killers etc. But it has not been nearly enough to overcome our desires and expectations for instant solutions in this era of Google and Alexa.


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06 Feb 2020, 6:50 am

Could things like this be better ?


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Health Soc Care Community. 2020 Feb 5. doi: 10.1111/hsc.12955. [Epub ahead of print]
Improving social participation of children with autism spectrum disorder: Pilot testing of an early animal-assisted intervention in Spain.
Ávila-Álvarez A1, Alonso-Bidegain M2, De-Rosende-Celeiro I1, Vizcaíno-Cela M1, Larrañeta-Alcalde L3, Torres-Tobío G4.
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Children with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) experience moderate to profound challenges in relation to the skills required for social participation. Animal-assisted intervention (AAI) is increasingly used within early community care. However, the results of its early application in this population group are not known. This pilot study aimed to explore the feasibility of an early intervention based on the use of therapy dogs and to examine their impact on communication and social interaction skills. A within-subject quasi-experimental longitudinal design was used. The instruments for measuring results were the Assessment of Communication and Interaction Skills (ACIS) and Animal-assisted Therapy Flow Sheet, both based on observation. A total of 19 children with confirmed or probable ASD (with mean age of 46.2 months), cared for in a Spanish therapeutic unit, participated in a median of nine AAI sessions, with a mean duration of 19.9 min per session. The total ACIS score increased significantly between the initial and final assessments of the study, with communication and social interaction skills improving with a large effect size. In the Animal-assisted Therapy Flow Sheet instrument, statistically significant improvements were found in most of the items that evaluate the frequency of child-dog social relationships (look at the dog, touch it, talk to it and get involved in an activity with the animal) and child-therapist relationships (look at the therapist and talk to him/her); the effect sizes ranged from medium to large. In conclusion, the early application of an AAI is feasible and seems to improve communication and social interaction skills, both essential elements for social participation. The results suggest that this intervention may be a beneficial non-pharmacological therapy as a complementary approach within community care for children with ASD in the early years of their life.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32022346