Video Challenging Neurodiversity

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Not really sure who this guy is or his views on other things but he talks a lot of sense in his criticism of ND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKmDdrTcsVs

ummmm.. it's a defect, ummmm it's not a defect... ummm

This is probably the most ineffective anti ND movement thing I have seen. It is a "bear" discovering an idea he did not know about and being shocked by it.

And yet AGAIN the false idea the ND people want NO TREATMENTS AT ALL is propagated. Since the guy is new to the ND controversy he can be forgiven. Most others stating that the ND movement stands for no treatments at all as if it is a fact on par with the earth is round can be forgiven but that forgiveness won't be coming from me.

He was reading multiple statements from an advocacy group - word for word from what looked like wikipeadia not making statements up.

His opinion that ND are against treatments for the core symptoms of autism is fair, i dont think he was referring to Gastrointestinal issues or epilepsy neither was the wiki author, given the quote below from wikipeadia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity

I appreciate wilipeadia is not alawys the most accurate but:-

Quote"Neurodiversity advocates denounce the framing of autism, ADHD, dyslexia, and other neurodevelopmental disorders as requiring medical intervention to "cure" or "fix" them and instead promote support systems, such as inclusion-focused services, accommodations, communication and assistive technologies, occupational training, and independent living support.[25]"

Anyone think they were misquoted by wikipeadia? They dont want to "fix" the core problems of autism that leave us disadvantaged in a world of capable NTs that take what should be our opportunities, another word for fix is treat or treatments.

The polar bear in an Hawaii shirt was interesting,He should have done throat singing(a style of singing popular with the Inuit and Eskimo people) or maybe seal hunting.

I hope I mis heard him but did he compare accepting autism as normal to accepting attraction to children as normal?That was really offensive!!

Other than that,not a bad video,happy seal hunting.

I don't have strong feelings on the politics of autism and I am the type that would like to see the cure oriented groups and neurodiverse groups to work together for the common good.

If you want to criticize neurodiversity,then I respect your opinion but I have a real issue with comparing the neurodiverse agenda of normalizing autism with normalizing pedophillia,that was way out of bounds and un called for.Other than that the video is ok.

occupational training and assistive technologies are or should be science based treatments or fixes for problems. Casts treat broken bones, they do not cure them. The difference is that unlike broken bones ND advocates think all or a lot of the problems are societal based not autisms fault.

That is the crux of the disagreement. Both Anti ND and pro ND movement want treatments and societal acceptance and accommodations. Even though broken bones are universally thought of as medical problems society accommodates people with them with assistive devices such as wheelchairs, by requiring ramps etc. If Autistics problems are primarily caused by their autism it is going to require different priorities in treatment and research then if their problems are primarily the result of society.

The video made a valid point by bringing this up basically there are two phychiatric models:-

1. The existing one which i personally agree with lets call it the standard / template human model of ability which started Psychiatry in the first place. It basically states their is a right and wrong way to be wired within a normal spectrum, anything else is a disorder

e.g a child above a certain age who cannot speak has a disorder.

Stimming if it takes over your life is a disorder

Being without executive function, social problems or hearing voices in your head are a disorder.

Being gay was also there probably because of religion but as religion's influence wained it was removed also it was realised that being gay did not cause a measurable physical / cognitive disability.

2. Then theres the neurodiverse model which i dont agree with, which basically states there is no right or wrong in brain wiring everything is a natural difference that should be left alone.

We may be refering to autism in relation to the neurodiverse model, but once you agree that their is no right or wrong way to be wired you open a can of worms that a whole load of bad actors can piggyback onto.

Remember being sexually attracted to children is not illegal only acting upon it, neither is fantasing about being a serial killer, admiring hitler or ted bundy and a whole load of things that gets ironically referred to by "right thinking people" as disturbed wiring.

Brain wiring is linked to behaviour most people recognise this which is why the most extreme elements of neurodiversity wont progress from general disability rights which is a good thing in my view.

In mainstream politics people don't compare there political opponents to pedophiles,even those who hate Trump the most don't refere to him as a pedophile.And as big mouthed as Trump is,he doesn't refere to leading democrats as pedophiles either.

Why is it ok in the politics of autism to compare those you disagree with as pedophiles,it's a low blow to autism and disability for that type of language to be used in reference to our politics.There is no excuse for what he said.

He never did. He never said anyone was a peadophile, he never said anyone who disagreed with him was one either. I suggest you play the last few min of the video and listen.

He was stating that that there has to be a right or wrong in neurology, which is true otherwise you get the bad actors jumping on.

He implied the neurodiverse model could be used by those who are attracted to children.

It could be used by anyone criminals,psychopaths etc for justifying their disturbed thought process.

Schizophrenics could use it as an excuse to stop taking meds, after all if autistic people can claim a natural difference why not Schizophenics?

Why not issis supporters, tourture and rape fantisists or those that just like to see people hurt?

The neurodiverse model could be used by anyone,he didn't have to use hurtful language as an example.He could have used schizophrenia as an example,more appropriate

Where there`s dangers they need to be highlighted. He was referring to the dangers of the can of worms of "neurodiversity" NOT autism. He also made the obvious valid point that by normalising a disability your actually risking taking help away, something I highlighted a long time ago on this forum.

Neurodiversity is an ideology and autism is a disability they are two different things, they are not joined at the hip and not all autistic people support neurodiversity as is well known.

I am not going to argue anymore and this will be my final redponse.I am in favor of autism being considered a disability,my livelyhood depends on it,I would not want social security convinced by the ND's that autism is the same as left handedness.
And then I loose my check every month,but I still feel he could have used more tactful language and better example.