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05 Mar 2020, 6:56 am

The worldwide Coronavirus emergency has overshadowed an important breakthrough in the search for a drug that tackles the core symptoms of autism. Many have heard of Bumetanide before since 2014, when it was revealed that the drug may have a positive effect on autism.

Well things have moved on since then and the results from a joint British and China study shows that it does indeed work with no real side effects.

The British end involved the University of Cambridge (i suspect Simon Baron-Cohen played a part as his research centre is also co-incidentally in Cambridge)

This is excellent news as:-

1. The drug targets the core symptoms of autism as opposed to the slightly superficial “party” drug discussed previously on here - Balovaptan that supposedly made autistic people more social.

2. The copied article specifically mentions children but it’s been found to have a positive impact for adults too, (not sure if as much as the kids though)

3. It shows they are zeroing in on the core mechanics of autism (or some types of autism) for the first time, in years to come this will get much better and doesn’t even involve gene editing yet.

4. It shows the more extreme anti biological intervention / cure views are being ignored by western scientists, including by the looks of it - Simon Baron-Cohen centre

5. It shows that China is actively involved in Autism research, they are motivated and have huge financial resources. They and many other eastern cultures have a different phycological outlook on the individual`s place in society, stressing more importance on collective social responsibility and the community pulling together as opposed to an individual`s power over the majority. So, they will certainly reject the more extreme silly elements of neurodiversity that has slightly infected the western media and opt to search for a cure as a goal.

6. It shows that autism biological research can yield positive results that can potentially improve people’s lives as opposed to the idea of abandoning the search for treatments and cure in favour of ASAN`s dead end idea of no biological intervention. See policy statement below for confirmation of its statement:

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/dru ... messengers

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Bumetanide – a prescription drug for oedema (the build-up of fluid in the body) – improves some of the symptoms in young children with autism spectrum disorders and has no significant side effects, confirms a new study from researchers in China and the UK. Published today in Translational Psychiatry, the study demonstrates for the first time that the drug improves the symptoms by decreasing the ratio of the GABA to glutamate in the brain. GABA and glutamate are both neurotransmitters – chemical messengers that help nerve cells in the brain communicate.

This study is important and exciting, because it means that there is a drug that can improve social learning and reduce autism spectrum disorder symptoms during the time when the brains of these children are still developing
Barbara Sahakian
Autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is a neurodevelopmental disorder estimated to affect one in 160 children worldwide. It is characterised by impairments in social communication, which manifest as problems with understanding emotions and with non-verbal communication, such as eye contact and smiling, and in failures to develop, maintain and understand social relationships. People with ASD also tend to have restricted interests and show repetitive behaviour. In mild cases of ASD, people are able to live independently, but for some the condition can be severe, requiring life-long care and support.
Although the biological mechanisms underlying ASD remain largely unknown, previous research has suggested that it may result from changes in brain development early in life, and in particular in relation to GABA, a neurotransmitter, a chemical in the brain that controls how nerve cells communicate. In the adult brain, GABA is inhibitory, which means it switches nerve cells ‘off’. In fetal life and early postnatal development, it is mostly excitatory, switching nerve cells ‘on’ and making them fire, playing a key role in the development and maturation of nerve cells. Alterations in the GABA-switch (from excitatory to inhibitory) can cause a delay in when the developing neural circuits reach functional maturity, with consequences for network activity. This implies that intervening at an early age may help reduce some of the symptoms that can make life challenging for people with ASD.
Current treatments for ASD at preschool age are mainly behavioural interventions, such as using play and joint activities between parents and their child to boost language, social and cognitive skills. However, with limited resources there is an inequality in access to these treatments across the globe, particularly in developing countries.
Previous studies in rats and small clinical trials involving children with ASD suggest that the drug bumetanide, which has been approved for use in oedema, a condition that results in a build-up of fluid in the body, could help reduce symptoms of ASD.
Now, an international collaboration between researchers at a number of institutions across China and at the University of Cambridge, UK, has shown that bumetanide is safe to use and effective at reducing symptoms in children as young as three years old. ASD can be reliably diagnosed at age 24 months or even as early as 18 months of age.
The team recruited 83 children aged three to six years old and divided them into two groups. A treatment group of 42 children received 0.5mg of bumetanide twice a day for three months, while a control group of 41 children received no treatment. The researchers assessed symptoms using the Childhood Autism Rating Scale (CARS), which is used to rate behaviour such as imitation, emotional response and verbal and non-verbal communication. Children scoring above 30 on the scale are considered to have ASD.
Before treatment, both groups had similar CARS scores, but afterwards, the treatment group now had a mean total score of 34.51 (compared to the control group mean score of 37.27). Also, importantly, the treatment group showed a significant reduction in the number of items on the CARS assigned a score greater than or equal to three, with the average number of 3.52 items in the treatment group compared to 5.49 items in the control group.
Dr Fei Li from Xinhua Hospital, Jiao Tong University School of Medicine, the clinical lead of the study, said: "I have many children with autism spectrum disorder under my care, but as psychological treatment resources are not available in many places, we are unable to offer them treatment. An effective and safe treatment will be very good news for them.
“The mother of a four year old boy living in a rural area outside Shanghai who received the treatment told me that he was now better at making eye contact with family members and relatives and was able to participate more in activities. In future, we hope to be able to ensure all families, regardless of where they are living, can receive treatment for their child."
To understand the mechanisms underlying the improvements, the researchers used a brain imaging technique known as magnetic resonance spectroscopy to study concentrations of neurotransmitters within the brain. They found that in two key brain regions – the insular cortex (which plays a role in emotions, empathy and self-awareness) and visual cortex (responsible for integrating and processing visual information) – the ratio of GABA to glutamate decreased over the three-month period in the treatment group. GABA and glutamate are known to be important for brain plasticity and promoting learning.
Professor Ching-Po Lin of National Yang-Ming University said: "This is the first demonstration that bumetanide improves brain function and reduces symptoms by reducing the amount of the brain chemical GABA. Understanding this mechanism is a major step towards developing new and more effective drug treatments.”
Professor Barbara Sahakian from the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Cambridge said: "This study is important and exciting, because it means that there is a drug that can improve social learning and reduce ASD symptoms during the time when the brains of these children are still developing. We know that GABA and glutamate are key chemicals in the brain for plasticity and learning and so these children should have an opportunity for better quality of life and wellbeing."
The team say the discovery that bumetanide changes the relative of concentrations of GABA to glutamate could provide a useful biomarker – a tell-tale biological measure – of how effective a treatment is. However, they cautioned that further research is needed to confirm the effectiveness of bumetanide as a treatment for ASD.
Dr Qiang Luo from Fudan University said: “These findings are very promising and suggest we will be able to use the biomarker measure to identify which children with ASD will benefit most from bumetanide. Further studies in a larger number of children will hopefully confirm whether bumetanide is an effective treatment for children with autism spectrum disorder.”


Its effects involving adults:
https://www.thinkingautism.org.uk/diure ... -symptoms/

ASAN position statement that hints in the strongest terms that it rejects biological intervention:-
https://autisticadvocacy.org/about-asan ... tatements/

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Most self-advocates agree that autism doesn’t need to be cured. Instead of wasting time and money on something that isn’t possible and that autistic people don’t want, we should focus on supporting autistic people to live good lives.


Well at least they say self-advocates rather than ALL autistic people, however its shown that biological research has a positive impact.

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We need more research that helps autistic people live our lives. But most autism research focuses on trying to find out what causes autism, in order to prevent or “cure” it. This is not research that autistic people want. It doesn’t help autistic people that are here now. More money needs to be given to research that helps us, like research on communication, community living, education, and health care for autistic people.


More verbal waffle to avoid the fact that they don’t support medical interventions to improve sufferers’ lives.

Let’s end speculation in this area regarding "treatments" once and for all: -

I guess communication to them means speech therapy and electronic communication devices. I think autistic people dream of talking naturally in their own voice, rather than sounding like C-3PO for the rest of their lives!

Community living and education are self-explanatory (something I support)

Health Care – I suspect this involves the grey area between community living & full-time care homes and for US autistic`s access to health insurance.

So, nothing about biological research.

It looks like they would be against the development of a new drug like Bumetanide that can potentially help people!

Organisations like ASAN pretend they represent all Autistic people who want help with their symptoms, with their "nothing without us" statement.

Looks like they just represent themselves!


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05 Mar 2020, 7:33 am

To some, drugs involving GABA to ease 'symptoms' is old news. There exists some threads here had mentions some stuff related to it.
And some of those would do say it does work. :lol: Though I cannot speak for others.

It's currently on my to-try bucket list, primarily for sleep issues than autism. As I've yet to try any.


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05 Mar 2020, 8:56 am

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To some, drugs involving GABA to ease 'symptoms' is old news. There exists some threads here had mentions some stuff related to it.
And some of those would do say it does work. Though I cannot speak for others.

It's currently on my to-try bucket list, primarily for sleep issues than autism. As I've yet to try any.


Yes maybe the GABA connection has been spoken about before, but it looks like this drug has overcome the major hurdles and is now just 3 years away from being widely available to treat autism.

As we British would say this drug drives a coach and horses through the insane claim that autism is not a “disorder”, as some claim.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pill ... -bt3n053r8


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05 Mar 2020, 9:05 am

I personally wouldn't want to take such a drug myself (given that I do not "suffer" from my autism), but I'm fine with the fact that it would be available for those who want it. What is not okay is forcing or "encouraging" autistic people to receive such treatments for the sake of pleasing NTs.


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05 Mar 2020, 9:35 am

Is it suitable for both stand alone ASD and ASD with comorbidities?



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05 Mar 2020, 10:18 am

firemonkey wrote:
Is it suitable for both stand alone ASD and ASD with comorbidities?

Don't know if it is for learning disabilities or personality disorders...



In my own case, it's the consequential comorbids I'm aiming at than autism itself. I know which and where I'm aiming at -- a comorbid that causes my functioning to act like ADD; memory and executive function impairments that mimics a lot of several more for a symptom.
With this, I'd gain the necessary internal resources and sets of conditions/state to overpower and do more than compensate through the so-called 'core symptoms' of autism -- making me as functioning as I should be.

Thus the want against sleep issues for a prime suspect. Specifically, nonrestorative sleep.
I've seen the difference of it and it has a glaring difference -- no ADD like symptoms, no crappy EF, no mood swings, no overwhelms or any sensor drawbacks, no myopic functionally drunk egoic crap, no more acting dumb and reacting like a damn brat against my will, etc. It happened without taking any drug or doing anything special.

Therefore, it's not autism I'm aiming at, but the lack of important ingredient that I've been missing for most of my adult life. I want this unnatural state gone at least in long terms. I want to treat or outright cure whatever this is -- it already stole 3+ years of my life.
GABA is only one and a possible route for me to go to, since there are even more possible root cause of sleep disturbance in my case.


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05 Mar 2020, 11:53 am

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Thus the want against sleep issues for a prime suspect. Specifically, nonrestorative sleep.


Maybe this is low hanging fruit solutions but have you tried exercise, vitamin d and magnesium for your sleep problem?


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05 Mar 2020, 1:12 pm

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Thus the want against sleep issues for a prime suspect. Specifically, nonrestorative sleep.


Maybe this is low hanging fruit solutions but have you tried exercise, vitamin d and magnesium for your sleep problem?

Practically done a lot of physical activity on daily basis. One with lot of movement.
Haven't able to take vitamin D regularly yet, but it may do some good.

Magnesium, like GABA and amongst other options, never tried yet...

Half of my 'option list' are usually tied/related to female hormones, for the 'sensitive systems' and stress reduction.
Nothing surprising from most low-support autistic 'circumstance' based on it's 'vulnerability' instead of 'symptoms' and learning disabilities.


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05 Mar 2020, 2:12 pm

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Practically done a lot of physical activity on daily basis. One with lot of movement.
Haven't able to take vitamin D regularly yet, but it may do some good.

Magnesium, like GABA and amongst other options, never tried yet...

Half of my 'option list' are usually tied/related to female hormones, for the 'sensitive systems' and stress reduction.
Nothing surprising from most low-support autistic 'circumstance' based on it's 'vulnerability' instead of 'symptoms' and learning disabilities.


Magnesium & vitamin D can have a very positive effect on sleep disorders.

Try it, it will cost you less than $10 for both at your local health store, you`ve got nothing to loose, at worse you`ll just improve your general health.

Modern farming methods & GM foods mean most people take below necessary RDA of magnesium which is an essential mineral.


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05 Mar 2020, 8:25 pm

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It may cost pennies now but once the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical company that makes the drug finds out it is a cure ahem "effective treatment" for autism it will be as expensive and probably more expensive than the other drugs.


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05 Mar 2020, 10:20 pm

gotta wonder sbout this ?


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Now, an international collaboration between researchers at a number of institutions across China and at the University of Cambridge, UK, has shown that bumetanide is safe to use and effective at reducing symptoms in children as young as three years old.

It won't really be known how "safe" this was until the kids are a lot older. Will there be a continuing longitudinal study of these kids, I wonder?


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06 Mar 2020, 9:57 am

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It won't really be known how "safe" this was until the kids are a lot older. Will there be a continuing longitudinal study of these kids, I wonder?


I suppose people will just have to weigh up the risks on an individual basis. Fortunately, the drug has been around for nearly 40 years so it had a good test run in adults. Nobody should be forced to take something against their consent though.

Risk isn’t a one-way street however.

There may be risks of not taking it.

There`s always risks of remaining vulnerable, like poorer life outcomes including accidents, targeted by predators and suicide in young people.


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Now, an international collaboration between researchers at a number of institutions across China and at the University of Cambridge, UK, has shown that bumetanide is safe to use and effective at reducing symptoms in children as young as three years old.

It won't really be known how "safe" this was until the kids are a lot older. Will there be a continuing longitudinal study of these kids, I wonder?



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21 Mar 2020, 9:02 pm

I currently take GABA supplements , to help me relax , and get a good nights sleep . I will say that it's effects are not as potent for someone like me , compared with when my mother occasionally takes it . She says it knocks her out , and makes her feel drowsy . I am certainly not against people making an informed choice to treat their symptoms with medication . I just don't appreciate it when people hype it up as being some sort of wonder drug . It does have side effects . { https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/bumetanide-oral-route/side-effects/drg-20071274 , https://www.drugs.com/sfx/bumetanide-side-effects.html } This using a drug that was intended for one use , to treat a different issue , reminds me of how Clonidine , a medication originally intended to treat high blood pressure , has been used to help manage the symptoms of Tourette Syndrome . { https://www.medicinesforchildren.org.uk/clonidine-tourettes-syndrome-adhd-and-sleep-onset-disorder , https://parentinghealthybabies.com/clonidine-tourettes-syndrome-adhd-benefits-risks/ } And none of these prescription drugs are a cure all . At best they simply help to manage the associated symptoms .