Joined: 8 Jun 2011 Age: 36 Gender: Male Posts: 21,486
18 Feb 2022, 7:19 am
Okay, so, in a nutshell, this paper explains how Russian, paternalistic values under the USSR, broadly, have degraded under a liberal welfare policy that started after the collapse of the USSR and continues today.
Basically, paternalistic USSR disability culture was one of pity for disabled people, yet compassion for disabled folk.
Today, Russian disabled folk are treated with no compassion or pity, but are for the most part, ignored.
At its best, Russia was degrading towards disabled folk. Now, at their worst, they freeze them out of society.
For disabled people like me, you claiming to be a communist means you are hostile towards disabled folk.
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23 Feb 2022, 8:34 pm
I would assert that most every society in the world at large had a paternalistic view of the disabled. And I can tell you that there is nothing inherent to the Communist ideology that would regard those of us on the spectrum as being second class citizens. In fact, a number of us autistic persons are Communists ourselves. So, isn't it rather patronizing to presume that we are not aware of what all we're espousing? Lastly, whether or not it's due to your particular autistic thought process, I found your composition to be confused and contradictory. It started out seemingly criticizing present day Russia, where compared to the Soviet past, when those with disabilities were at least cared for, supposedly now of days those with special needs are overlooked. Then, out of nowhere it ends up disparaging those such as me, whom are both on the autistic spectrum, and in regard to the political spectrum, are Communist. I think that we can acknowledge mistakes that were made in past practice, within purportedly Communist countries, such as for instance the diagnosing of social misfits with "sluggish schizophrenia", without resorting to the guilt by association fallacy. I feel that this essay linked below, is a better more coherent critique of the status of disability rights in the Soviet Union . https://isreview.org/issue/103/disability-and-soviet-union-advances-and-retreats/index.html
Joined: 8 Jun 2011 Age: 36 Gender: Male Posts: 21,486
23 Feb 2022, 8:44 pm
Touretter wrote:
I would assert that most every society in the world at large had a paternalistic view of the disabled. And I can tell you that there is nothing inherent to the Communist ideology that would regard those of us on the spectrum as being second class citizens. In fact, a number of us autistic persons are Communists ourselves. So, isn't it rather patronizing to presume that we are not aware of what all we're espousing? Lastly, whether or not it's due to your particular autistic thought process, I found your composition to be confused and contradictory. It started out seemingly criticizing present day Russia, where compared to the Soviet past, when those with disabilities were at least cared for, supposedly now of days those with special needs are overlooked. Then, out of nowhere it ends up disparaging those such as me, whom are both on the autistic spectrum, and in regard to the political spectrum, are Communist. I think that we can acknowledge mistakes that were made in past practice, within purportedly Communist countries, such as for instance the diagnosing of social misfits with "sluggish schizophrenia", without resorting to the guilt by association fallacy. I feel that this essay linked below, is a better more coherent critique of the status of disability rights in the Soviet Union . https://isreview.org/issue/103/disability-and-soviet-union-advances-and-retreats/index.html
Okay, so I am aware that Autistic people are very smart and intelligent - but sometimes a lot of Autistic folk don't self-reflect or have the capacity for, or the ability to practice empathy, that is why I say things in a patronising way, sometimes. Not every Autistic person is the same, we have different levels of functioning etc.
Communism is similar to capitalism, strictly in terms of inequality for disabled folk but:
A) It is a bad economic system
B) It is generally evil and has been associated with moral depravity, which leads to the neglect of disabled folk, even more so than in capitalist countries and
C) Everyone is equally worthless within a communist system. There is no way to be monetarily rich for any disabled person, nor anything to strive for economically.
Those three points inform me of everything I need to know about communism, even without reading commie literature as a hobby.
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15 Mar 2022, 7:29 am
blitzkrieg wrote:
Okay, so I am aware that Autistic people are very smart and intelligent - but sometimes a lot of Autistic folk don't self-reflect or have the capacity for, or the ability to practice empathy, that is why I say things in a patronising way, sometimes. Not every Autistic person is the same, we have different levels of functioning etc.
Communism is similar to capitalism, strictly in terms of inequality for disabled folk but:
A) It is a bad economic system
B) It is generally evil and has been associated with moral depravity, which leads to the neglect of disabled folk, even more so than in capitalist countries and
C) Everyone is equally worthless within a communist system. There is no way to be monetarily rich for any disabled person, nor anything to strive for economically.
Those three points inform me of everything I need to know about communism, even without reading commie literature as a hobby.
Communism is bad, mmkay.
Do you actually have a logical argument? Because I see absolutely no logical reasoning or evidence in this post, just insults and subjective opinion. Just comes across like you've put very little thought into your opinion.
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23 Mar 2022, 11:18 am
Under communism, everyone in Russia was guaranteed a decent life, but didn't get it. Under their current system of mafia capitalism, no one is really guaranteed anything.
Right now in Russia, there is a movement to restore the glory of the old days, even if it was not so glorious. But many of those who recognize the real dangers of hypercapitalism don't necessarily want a return to communism -- I suspect many are looking to a mixed economy like Germany or Denmark instead of the old USSR - they want material abundance while doing more to recognize the rights and needs of the handicapped.
18 Feb 2022, 7:19 am
