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12 Dec 2008, 8:12 pm

Hello.

I just want to tell you all to leave the pro-cure groups alone.

You have every right to have your opinion, but wouldn't you rather have good social skills than other positive aspie traits, in order to get married and have a family? Sure, aspies can do that, but it's a lot trickier (the troubling challenge of finding someone plus all the years God has cost me of having to learn social skills, I don't even feel like learning). Getting married and having a family is the MOST important thing I want to do in my entire lifetime, aside from everything else. What do you say?



12 Dec 2008, 8:20 pm

You want a cure your autism?



I'm not with or against it. I know there are people out there who don't like having it and would rather cure it if there was one. If a cure does indeed come, it's not like they are going to walk up to us and make us take it. It will only be available to the parents and autistic individuals who want it. But I think it should be up to the child though, not to the parents.



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12 Dec 2008, 8:23 pm

Well, personally, I don't actually want to get married and have a family. And if I did, I'd want to marry someone with a similar communication style to my own.

But I respect that some people on the autistic spectrum want a cure and others don't and I don't think any should try to suppress the others' view, nor impose their own view on all ASD people.



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12 Dec 2008, 8:27 pm

I am married and I have bad social skills.



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12 Dec 2008, 8:29 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
You want a cure your autism?



I'm not with or against it. I know there are people out there who don't like having it and would rather cure it if there was one. If a cure does indeed come, it's not like they are going to walk up to us and make us take it. It will only be available to the parents and autistic individuals who want it. But I think it should be up to the child though, not to the parents.


I have absolutely no problem with an autistic person wanting a cure. I do have a problem with parents forcing their kids to be cured so they could somehow be more "normal" and so the parents won't have to be inconvenienced by their kid's differences.



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12 Dec 2008, 8:30 pm

jimmister wrote:
wouldn't you rather have good social skills than other positive aspie traits, in order to get married and have a family?

I can't stand kids, so no.

But smartassed reply aside, I get what you mean. I'm not opposed to a cure; I just can't stand groups like Autism Speaks who think we're some kind of plague.



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12 Dec 2008, 8:30 pm

I am not vehemently against a cure nor I am in favour of one. I have long since accepted that I have Asperger's Syndrome. And I have moved on. Really, I don't even think of myself as an individual with AS until/unless it comes up in conversation.

The anti-cure people really do overreact, IMO.



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12 Dec 2008, 8:37 pm

The people who call it genocide?

See... I don't get that. For a group of people who are supposed to be pedantic, they really need to pick up a dictionary. I don't think ASD people qualify as an ethnic group.

Maybe we just need to try harder then! Quick, let's develop some customs! We already have some customs (the aspie stare) and slang (NT, aspie). Now we just need an official religion and flag...



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12 Dec 2008, 8:48 pm

jimmister wrote:
Hello.

I just want to tell you all to leave the pro-cure groups alone.

You have every right to have your opinion, but wouldn't you rather have good social skills than other positive aspie traits, in order to get married and have a family? Sure, aspies can do that, but it's a lot trickier (the troubling challenge of finding someone plus all the years God has cost me of having to learn social skills, I don't even feel like learning). Getting married and having a family is the MOST important thing I want to do in my entire lifetime, aside from everything else. What do you say?


:evil: No, I don't think so, bub. They're the ones who need to leave us alone and let us live how we please. As for how it is "a lot trickier" to learn social skills, that would not be the case if there were appropriate treatment to help overcome those issues. Instead all those people want to do is try to "cure" people who they determine to be "disabled", but the truth is ASDs can not be cured any more than left-handedness can be cured. The real issue here is not needing a cure, but the need for people to tolerate those who are different. We'll leave them alone as soon as they stop saying people that they don't approve of are "diseased", "disabled", or "broken" and need to be "fixed." Everyone has the right to be who they are without anyone interfering as long as they're not infringing on the rights of anyone else.

And by the way, if there are some wants a cure for themselves, so be it. That is their right But the whole idea of a cure is instead being pushed on those who do not want it and are happy with who they are.

The sort of lowlifes supporting the idea of a cure are no different than those who put disabled people in institutions to "protect" society from them, if not those who perpetrated the Holocaust.


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12 Dec 2008, 8:49 pm

The problem, as I see it, is that the "cure" thinking doesn't understand the nature of autism, including the range, and how it's a spectrum.



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12 Dec 2008, 8:56 pm

fbug wrote:
The sort of lowlifes supporting the idea of a cure are no different than those who put disabled people in institutions to "protect" society from them, if not those who perpetrated the Holocaust.

I have the freedom to vote for a cure, you know.



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12 Dec 2008, 8:58 pm

MizLiz wrote:
The people who call it genocide?

See... I don't get that. For a group of people who are supposed to be pedantic, they really need to pick up a dictionary. I don't think ASD people qualify as an ethnic group.

i think our linguistic skills are beyond the powers of your dictionary. curing autism is the eradication of a certain genotype, so 'genocide' seems fair, despite what your highschool history teacher might have told you.

even if the Bosses Of All Word Definitions disagreed on the term to describe the systematic destruction of a whole group of people with specific traits, wouldn't you agree that destroying that whole group of people was bad?

pro-cure = anti-autism, and their donation dollars are right now funding scientists in their search to identify fetuses that might be on the autistic spectrum, so they can be destroyed in utero.

so, knowing that the cure is for most of us on this board to have been aborted, how can anyone suggest we leave the pro-cure groups alone?

sure, i'm feeding the troll, but it's so disgusting i have to.


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12 Dec 2008, 9:10 pm

except the 'cide part indicates (mea culpa, you Latin freaks...;) indicates death, at least to me.

Until they actually do come up with a cure (assuming they do), they don't have anything to offer/threaten you with. Why get stressed?

It's probably a bit late for a cure in my case, but I think that you should have some choice...



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12 Dec 2008, 9:12 pm

MizLiz wrote:
The people who call it genocide?

See... I don't get that. For a group of people who are supposed to be pedantic, they really need to pick up a dictionary. I don't think ASD people qualify as an ethnic group.

Maybe we just need to try harder then! Quick, let's develop some customs! We already have some customs (the aspie stare) and slang (NT, aspie). Now we just need an official religion and flag...


I guess only ethnic groups are deserving of measures against prejudice then?



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12 Dec 2008, 9:18 pm

Genocide is not based on getting rid of someone because of their religion or their culture but because some people feel that their genes are superior to other peoples genes and that is exactly what is happening in the "curebies" who want to identify this "defective genes" so that people will have the option of killing the defective individual before they can inconvenience their lives . (Though from a historical and psychological perspective it is usually just an excuse/justification to exploit someone that has something that you desire . Some how it makes people feel less guilty if they can call someone sub-human before they rob them of their land and property or get rid f them as an economic competitor .)

You can not get rid of the bad parts of AS without sacrificing some of the good parts and who gets to decide which traits have the most value for the individual or society . Do we really need a race of clones with no neurodiversity ? Isn't diversity what makes a species most likely to survive changing environments ?<--retorical .


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12 Dec 2008, 9:38 pm

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