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23 Apr 2014, 11:24 pm

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whilst i myself hold no formal grades in any martial art i have trained none the less and do understand the principles behind what is useful and what is not in terms of self defense in that regard i too am guilty of destroying the art but at lest i know of Morihei Ueshiba most mma/bjj guys only know of the Gracies

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if you mean in the clubs its up to the instructor in charge


There is nothing wrong in using things you learn for self defense and it is good physical training. What I object to is people who take martial arts and use it to start fights and bully people. When I see MMA on TV it makes me sick to my stomach. I have seen a lot of people who obviously have taken martial arts classes, who hang around in bars using what they know to start fights and strut. Cocky, arrogant people.

I watched a group of drunk American soldiers in Korea one night attack a Korean wedding party walking down the street, all in Tuxedos and bride gown and all the women in dresses. The Americans just walked up, without any provocation and started doing fancy spinning heel kicks and backfists to bloody up the Korean men and destroy the wedding memories of those people for no other reason than to show off.

I hope somebody was able to turn those dogfaced bastards in to their commanders.


Not that I know. They disappeared into a bar to get more drunk. I was on my knees trying to help the groom. Very crowded sidestreet. Probably a lot of people never even noticed. It only took about 5 seconds. It was so sudden. I was behind the wedding party and I saw the group of soldiers just walking toward us like they were going to a movie, then BLAM, and it was over. They turned and walked away and into a bar as if they had just climbed out of a car. Laughing like nothing was wrong.



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23 Apr 2014, 11:27 pm

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Not that I know. They disappeared into a bar to get more drunk. I was on my knees trying to help the groom. Very crowded sidestreet. Probably a lot of people never even noticed. It only took about 5 seconds. It was so sudden. I was behind the wedding party and I saw the group of soldiers just walking toward us like they were going to a movie, then BLAM, and it was over. They turned and walked away and into a bar as if they had just climbed out of a car. Laughing like nothing was wrong.

what stinking sociopathic dogs. :x the only cold comfort I can feel at this point, is that karma is not mocked.



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23 Apr 2014, 11:34 pm

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i agree i too dislike people like that in fact i still tend to feel quite vulnerable even with all the knowledge and skill i have over untrained people

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no ive never seen disciplinary process in fact the guy that broke my rib was a wrestling instructors right hand man that came with him to teach a class in fact he was being cheered on by said instructor the mma/bjj instructor was no better in fact he just used to laugh and never took anything seriously in regard to people using brute strength to win over technique if your going to throw technique out the window whats the point of doing martial arts



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23 Apr 2014, 11:36 pm

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no ive never seen disciplinary process in fact the guy that broke my rib was a wrestling instructors right hand man that came with him to teach a class in fact he was being cheered on by said instructor the mma/bjj instructor is no better in fact he just used to laugh and never took anything seriously in regard to people using brute strength to win over technique if your going to throw technique out the window whats the point of doing martial arts

it sounds to me like that joker took the physical technique only and threw out all the spiritual aspects of the martial arts.



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24 Apr 2014, 12:01 am

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Not that I know. They disappeared into a bar to get more drunk. I was on my knees trying to help the groom. Very crowded sidestreet. Probably a lot of people never even noticed. It only took about 5 seconds. It was so sudden. I was behind the wedding party and I saw the group of soldiers just walking toward us like they were going to a movie, then BLAM, and it was over. They turned and walked away and into a bar as if they had just climbed out of a car. Laughing like nothing was wrong.

what stinking sociopathic dogs. :x the only cold comfort I can feel at this point, is that karma is not mocked.


Even though I spent 11 years in the Army myself, I have seen enough of how military people behave when they are away from the eyes of those who know them that I now have a particular disdain, specifically for the US military because as far as these incidents that happen overseas, the military establishment pretty much just turns its head and has no respect for the cultures , traditions or citizenry of the nations we occupy, especially in peacetime when members of the military have too much free time on their hands and not enough education about other cultures to behave responsibly. Not all military members, but enough that what does happen is pretty much taken as normal.



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24 Apr 2014, 12:03 am

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Not that I know. They disappeared into a bar to get more drunk. I was on my knees trying to help the groom. Very crowded sidestreet. Probably a lot of people never even noticed. It only took about 5 seconds. It was so sudden. I was behind the wedding party and I saw the group of soldiers just walking toward us like they were going to a movie, then BLAM, and it was over. They turned and walked away and into a bar as if they had just climbed out of a car. Laughing like nothing was wrong.

what stinking sociopathic dogs. :x the only cold comfort I can feel at this point, is that karma is not mocked.


Even though I spent 11 years in the Army myself, I have seen enough of how military people behave when they are away from the eyes of those who know them that I now have a particular disdain, specifically for the US military because as far as these incidents that happen overseas, the military establishment pretty much just turns its head and has no respect for the cultures , traditions or citizenry of the nations we occupy, especially in peacetime when members of the military have too much free time on their hands and not enough education about other cultures to behave responsibly. Not all military members, but enough that what does happen is pretty much taken as normal.

so would you say about American GIs overseas, that 90% of them give the other 10% a bad rep? anyways, if you don't mind, what did you do MOS-wise in the army? I was a 91D10 [hospital].



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24 Apr 2014, 12:18 am

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Not that I know. They disappeared into a bar to get more drunk. I was on my knees trying to help the groom. Very crowded sidestreet. Probably a lot of people never even noticed. It only took about 5 seconds. It was so sudden. I was behind the wedding party and I saw the group of soldiers just walking toward us like they were going to a movie, then BLAM, and it was over. They turned and walked away and into a bar as if they had just climbed out of a car. Laughing like nothing was wrong.

what stinking sociopathic dogs. :x the only cold comfort I can feel at this point, is that karma is not mocked.


Even though I spent 11 years in the Army myself, I have seen enough of how military people behave when they are away from the eyes of those who know them that I now have a particular disdain, specifically for the US military because as far as these incidents that happen overseas, the military establishment pretty much just turns its head and has no respect for the cultures , traditions or citizenry of the nations we occupy, especially in peacetime when members of the military have too much free time on their hands and not enough education about other cultures to behave responsibly. Not all military members, but enough that what does happen is pretty much taken as normal.

so would you say about American GIs overseas, that 90% of them give the other 10% a bad rep? anyways, if you don't mind, what did you do MOS-wise in the army? I was a 91D10 [hospital].


I was a 71G hospital patient administration.

No, I wouldn't say that that is an accurate proportion. It may be that I just have a sensitive personality and the things I have seen have affected me more than it might have affected others. While in Italy, in my first overseas assignment, stationed In Livorno Italy (the hospital was transferred back to Vincenza Italy in 1987) the Army cooks in that hospital would routinely physically slap Italian civilian kitchen employees who were in there 60's and had worked at that hospital for over 30 years. Slapped them, berated them, denigrated them and humiliated them on a daily basis, and no one batted an eye. The first hospital I worked at, in Ft Sill Oklahoma, my first assignment out of AIT, as an E2, a SSG tried to drag me into a supply room and attack me physically because I refused to allow him to berate me. He backed me into a ladder and I kicked him in the chest. I spent the next 6 months in a retired military installation (Ft. Chaffee Ark) supplying support to the clinic that would host reserve and national guard units on annual training.



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24 Apr 2014, 12:24 am

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I was a 71G hospital patient administration. No, I wouldn't say that that is an accurate proportion. It may be that I just have a sensitive personality and the things I have seen have affected me more than it might have affected others. While in Italy, in my first overseas assignment, stationed In Livorno Italy (the hospital was transferred back to Vincenza Italy in 1987) the Army cooks in that hospital would routinely physically slap Italian civilian kitchen employees who were in there 60's and had worked at that hospital for over 30 years. Slapped them, berated them, denigrated them and humiliated them on a daily basis, and no one batted an eye. The first hospital I worked at, in Ft Sill Oklahoma, my first assignment out of AIT, as an E2, a SSG tried to drag me into a supply room and attack me physically because I refused to allow him to berate me. He backed me into a ladder and I kicked him in the chest. I spent the next 6 months in a retired military installation (Ft. Chaffee Ark) supplying support to the clinic that would host reserve and national guard units on annual training.

I did not have your cajones, so I just let them berate me. it was a stressful time and prematurely aged me. sounds like you have a peachy assignment at ft. chaffee. I was stuck in the hellhole called ft. Belvoir [as full of brassholes as any post with the exception of ft. Leavenworth [my dad was stationed there and said it was like jail]]. I wish my recruiter had made available to me 71G as I would make a perfect bureaucrat/paperwork person. at the time I joined it was the Reagan recession and everybody and their out of work forever brother was beating down the recruiters' doors for any work at all, 3 hots and a cot. so my recruiter basically told me infantry or medic, take it or leave it. so I had no choice [other than to return to homelessness] to take it. anyways, it sounds like you started your martial arts training well before joining the army, that must've made basic a lot easier for you.



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24 Apr 2014, 12:35 am

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I was a 71G hospital patient administration. No, I wouldn't say that that is an accurate proportion. It may be that I just have a sensitive personality and the things I have seen have affected me more than it might have affected others. While in Italy, in my first overseas assignment, stationed In Livorno Italy (the hospital was transferred back to Vincenza Italy in 1987) the Army cooks in that hospital would routinely physically slap Italian civilian kitchen employees who were in there 60's and had worked at that hospital for over 30 years. Slapped them, berated them, denigrated them and humiliated them on a daily basis, and no one batted an eye. The first hospital I worked at, in Ft Sill Oklahoma, my first assignment out of AIT, as an E2, a SSG tried to drag me into a supply room and attack me physically because I refused to allow him to berate me. He backed me into a ladder and I kicked him in the chest. I spent the next 6 months in a retired military installation (Ft. Chaffee Ark) supplying support to the clinic that would host reserve and national guard units on annual training.

I did not have your cajones, so I just let them berate me. it was a stressful time and prematurely aged me. sounds like you have a peachy assignment at ft. chaffee. I was stuck in the hellhole called ft. Belvoir [as full of brassholes as any post with the exception of ft. Leavenworth [my dad was stationed there and said it was like jail]]. I wish my recruiter had made available to me 71G as I would make a perfect bureaucrat/paperwork person. at the time I joined it was the Reagan recession and everybody and their out of work forever brother was beating down the recruiters' doors for any work at all, 3 hots and a cot. so my recruiter basically told me infantry or medic, take it or leave it. so I had no choice [other than to return to homelessness] to take it. anyways, it sounds like you started your martial arts training well before joining the army, that must've made basic a lot easier for you.


Ft Chaffee started off peaceful and peachy but that was 1975. I was not there two months before the VietNam war ceased and we woke up to around 20,000 Vietnamese refugees to process. Ft Smith Arkansas (the city just outside the gates of Ft Chaffee is not a hospitable place to foreigners. Although we were surrounded by a 6 foot high wire fence we still had activists from the KKK protesting the arrival of the refugees. I was sent back to Ft Chafee, again from Ft Sill, when the Cuban refugees arrived to take up residence behind those wire fences. The KKK was not so accommodating with the Cubans and on several occasions would fire shotguns over the fences. Mo mortal wounds but we still dealt with victims of that nonsense plus the rivalries of the refugees themselves who had hostilities and would start fires and attack each other. The Cuban refugees, many of them had physical deformities created by the brutality of the Castro regime and many of them were criminal released from Cuban prisons who had a lot of medical abnormalities.



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24 Apr 2014, 12:39 am

8O



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24 Apr 2014, 12:55 am

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I was assigned to the 47th Field hospital in Ft Sill, which is the ancestor unit of 4077th MASH from tv series fame. It was a real unit. We trained to respond to whatever catastrophe of instability was going on in the world at the time., from the refugee assignments to erthquakes to floods, to even loading up and waiting for orders to respond to the Iran hostage incident in which the helicopters crashed in the desert. We were called off and told to unload just hours after the crashes. That unit had the assignment to be prepared to pack up a 200 bed surgical field hospital and deploy to any location in the world with 24 hours.



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24 Apr 2014, 12:59 am

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I was assigned to the 47th Field hospital in Ft Sill, which is the ancestor unit of 4077th MASH from tv series fame. It was a real unit. We trained to respond to whatever catastrophe of instability was going on in the world at the time., from the refugee assignments to erthquakes to floods, to even loading up and waiting for orders to respond to the Iran hostage incident in which the helicopters crashed in the desert. We were called off and told to unload just hours after the crashes. That unit had the assignment to be prepared to pack up a 200 bed surgical field hospital and deploy to any location in the world with 24 hours.

strack for sure. :thumleft:



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24 Apr 2014, 1:07 am

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I was assigned to the 47th Field hospital in Ft Sill, which is the ancestor unit of 4077th MASH from tv series fame. It was a real unit. We trained to respond to whatever catastrophe of instability was going on in the world at the time., from the refugee assignments to erthquakes to floods, to even loading up and waiting for orders to respond to the Iran hostage incident in which the helicopters crashed in the desert. We were called off and told to unload just hours after the crashes. That unit had the assignment to be prepared to pack up a 200 bed surgical field hospital and deploy to any location in the world with 24 hours.

strack for sure. :thumleft:


It would seem strack but we were just like the people in the TV series, drunk, stoned, crazy. They sent us to train in Texas at another old abandoned base and we would get drunk at night and drive water buffalo truck into San Antonio, or use deuce and a half trucks to try and herd cows in nearby fields. We were all stoned one night out in the middle of nowhere in our tents and had a CSM E9 chasing 4 of us around in the dark with his 45 drawn from his holster. He never did indicate that he knew who we were but I don't know how he could not have known. We were notorious partiers, just like on the TV show.



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24 Apr 2014, 1:13 am

khaoz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
khaoz wrote:
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8O


I was assigned to the 47th Field hospital in Ft Sill, which is the ancestor unit of 4077th MASH from tv series fame. It was a real unit. We trained to respond to whatever catastrophe of instability was going on in the world at the time., from the refugee assignments to erthquakes to floods, to even loading up and waiting for orders to respond to the Iran hostage incident in which the helicopters crashed in the desert. We were called off and told to unload just hours after the crashes. That unit had the assignment to be prepared to pack up a 200 bed surgical field hospital and deploy to any location in the world with 24 hours.

strack for sure. :thumleft:


It would seem strack but we were just like the people in the TV series, drunk, stoned, crazy. They sent us to train in Texas at another old abandoned base and we would get drunk at night and drive water buffalo truck into San Antonio, or use deuce and a half trucks to try and herd cows in nearby fields. We were all stoned one night out in the middle of nowhere in our tents and had a CSM E9 chasing 4 of us around in the dark with his 45 drawn from his holster. He never did indicate that he knew who we were but I don't know how he could not have known. We were notorious partiers, just like on the TV show.

I would not have wanted to be that E9 who probably saw his career in flames in front of his eyes.



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24 Apr 2014, 1:23 am

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khaoz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
khaoz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
8O


I was assigned to the 47th Field hospital in Ft Sill, which is the ancestor unit of 4077th MASH from tv series fame. It was a real unit. We trained to respond to whatever catastrophe of instability was going on in the world at the time., from the refugee assignments to erthquakes to floods, to even loading up and waiting for orders to respond to the Iran hostage incident in which the helicopters crashed in the desert. We were called off and told to unload just hours after the crashes. That unit had the assignment to be prepared to pack up a 200 bed surgical field hospital and deploy to any location in the world with 24 hours.

strack for sure. :thumleft:


It would seem strack but we were just like the people in the TV series, drunk, stoned, crazy. They sent us to train in Texas at another old abandoned base and we would get drunk at night and drive water buffalo truck into San Antonio, or use deuce and a half trucks to try and herd cows in nearby fields. We were all stoned one night out in the middle of nowhere in our tents and had a CSM E9 chasing 4 of us around in the dark with his 45 drawn from his holster. He never did indicate that he knew who we were but I don't know how he could not have known. We were notorious partiers, just like on the TV show.

I would not have wanted to be that E9 who probably saw his career in flames in front of his eyes.


Hey we were partiers but we always got the job done. Work first. Mission first, then party, that's how we always got away with it



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24 Apr 2014, 1:30 am

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Hey we were partiers but we always got the job done. Work first. Mission first, then party, that's how we always got away with it

I just wonder how you were able to drag yourself out of the rack at 0-dark-thirty after all that partying?