Why do the poor become fat?

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Yep, the mechanically separated rib meat. It is ground, technically, but not the same as ground turkey. Ground turkey is more like ground sausage. The rib meat doesn't have as fine a texture.

I have a 40 oz package or Pilgrim's raw chicken strips that are not precooked that require forty minutes bake time in the oven. They are breaded, not fried. This is the closest I have come to eating anything like this that hasn't been fried first. The Pilgrim's chicken strips are really good at nine bucks a package. It's not a bad deal.

I hate cooking things in the oven, I lack patience. So I always cook things in a frying pan somehow, like I'm even OKish at making flatbreads with a frying pan, but use an oven and I flop. I almost always when cooking stuff, just put a little oil (usually olive, but when I'm poor I use soybean, yay) like a spoon in the pan, then just cook like that. Sometimes I'll add water/sauce (ie, soy sauce, Worcestershire sauce) if it's gonna burn, but that's about it. Ovens just make me angry, but I do gotta say, ovens are good for cooking lots of stuff, like if I make burgers for the whole family, it'd be smart of me just to throw them in the oven.

9 a package is a lot, though. Yikes. $3.60lb. Since I do a lot of my own shopping (my mom gives me like 20 bucks for groceries and tells me to have at it) I always look at unit prices. Best deal for chicken imo is at least here, buy chicken legs, with the thigh and drumstick. 69c a pound here.

I like the oven in winter more than in summer. I really like roasting or baking things that take a long time to cook in the winter.

I also like the crock pot. I just made a really awesome crock pot meal with a Cornish hen, some shredded onions and lots of garlic. I decided to try one after posting something and wondered if they still have that strange taste and the one I got just tasted like regular chicken. I sprayed the inside of the crock pot and the top of the hen with some Pam instead of using olive oil, layered the bottom of the crock pot with shredded onions and garlic, put the hen on top, sprayed it with a little Pam, salt and peppered it and then put some minced garlic and a sprig of Rosemary from the garden since I have one out there, might as well use it. I cooked it on low for six hours and man, it was soooo good. I didn't expect much but that subtle Rosemary flavor and the chicken made a soup with the onions and it was actually much better than I ever expected. I will be making it once a week, maybe, especially this winter. And, it wasn't that expensive, either. More if you have to buy Rosemary. They charge a lot for fresh herbs.

whoa, just a moment there. your comments in this thread haven't been good examples of having any understanding of what it is like to live in outside of Norway, so you should take a long hard look in the mirror before you make accusations like that. and you even tried to get a bit of sympathy for your high cost of living, when clearly you have some massive advantages over there (some disadvantages too, but the US has their own problems too). maybe practice what you preach.

Wow, reading about Norway, what my friend told me from Sweden was true then, that people from Sweden go work in Norway to make tons of money. Dude save your cash and don't buy s**t in Norway, then come to the third world country of USA and live like a king. f**k man, save up like 5-6 months salary and live in like Vietnam or the Philippines for like....ever.

23USD minimum wage, though. Wow...

I live in a city with a lot of poverty and was once quite poor myself. I believe the main cause is how corporations have taken advantage of the population by putting addictive substances in foods, and things that less educated people are unlikely to understand. They can also hide a lot of things under titles like "spices" and "natural flavorings". They have outsourced healthy foods, making those more expensive. They mass produce. Their focus is making money and not who it affects. People in poverty have don't always have a lot of time (working many jobs for low pay, taking care of family, using public transportation, going to college) to go out of their way to get healthy food in urban settings where the easiest place to get food is grocery stores (where fruits and veggies are often over priced and have pesticides all over them if this store is more mainstream) and fast food places where it is easy if they have no time to cook for their family. Hence, farmer's markets have been a great thing when they happen in poorer neighborhoods, where people can get cheap and local produce. It is what my mom did for me when I was younger, and yet we still had to eat a lot of hot dogs and mac and cheese. But I'm glad she taught me to love fruits and veggies. =) But I have noticed all these patterns. BTW I am from the United States.

(EDIT: They probably also have less access to health care.)

They certainly do.

I have nearly no access to health care except for visiting the emergency room. You can't go there for everything and it's not free. It's expensive. I've gone as a last resort in the past and just ignored the bills. It was that or never see a doctor at all.

Right now I need more tests and surgery. I actually have to either wait to be approved for Medicaid or pay cash up front that I don't have or I won't get any treatment. I should get approved because my income is $0 but if I was working even in a crummy minimum wage job who knows if I'd even qualify and I wouldn't be able to afford the medical care I need.

I'm sorry to hear that. I mean, we've all been really let down in my opinion. Our government should be helping us because its job ought to be to protect the welfare of its country and not pursue its own interests. What state are you in?

Take good care of yourself! =)

Having an endomorphic build allows me to gain a significant amount of muscle on 3,000 calories.

Out of curiosity, what is your height, weight and body fat %?

I never said that the US was the Garden of Eden, but it's far better than both Glenn Beck and Michael Moore thinks.

As far as the world outside Norway goes, Iceland fell 16 places on the HDI ranking over the night, Greek, Italian and Portuguese senior citizens are forced to live of their own children because of sh!tty retirement pensions, Greece has a 25% unemployment rate, the Danes pay three times as much of their income tax as the Americans do, pay twice as much for an entry level Golf/Jetta as the Americans do for a Camaro, with a twice as high VAT tax and the same salary, Eastern-Europe experienced a skyrocketing rate of homelessness and the entire continent pays more than twice as much per gallon of gasoline as the Americans do--with much more crude oil per capita.

Needless to say that I don't take Americans who complain about food prices, gasoline prices reaching a "whopping" 80 cents per gallon or the communist-nazi government "stealing" a grande 15-20% of their income seriously. Especially given that the US have no significant crude oil reserves per capita and less foreign debt per capita than most European countries.

Yet, the US has 50% higher obesity rates than Greece, 2.5 times as high obesity rates as Germany, 3 times as high obesity rates as Sweden and 10 times as high obesity rates as Japan. The obesity rates were almost as high under Clinton when the dollar was more valuable than the euro, unemployment was low and home ownership was at a record high.

5'10", 200 lbs and 31" waist (no idea about body fat levels).

Thanks. If you don't have access to a Biometric anaysis scale, these pictures are pretty accurate http://www.leighpeele.com/body-fat-pict ... ercentages

Thanks for the link.

I'd say I'm roughly 13-14%.

Well, thanks to this thread I did notice, for the first time, ground chicken at the store. I just never thought about it before. I have tried ground turkey but for some reason, ground chicken wasn't a blip on my screen. So, today, I went and looked at the grocery store and saw ground chicken. Not sure what it tastes like though. It's not so much the taste with ground turkey or chicken, it's more the texture. I am not a ground sausage fan and ground turkey reminds me too much of that in terms of texture.

Ground chicken tastes very nice. If you add the right spices to it, it tastes even better than ground beef.

http://www.dinnertool.com/ground-chicke ... mate-guide