I have 1/2 hour-do weights or cardio?

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19 Jun 2011, 12:36 pm

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Thanks Charles! Thats a good idea, I will try doing weights one day and cardio the next. I used to do a 3 day split like you but I got very muscly, Im doing much lighter weights now which dont need the recovery time. Thanks again :D


hypertrophy research ive seen advises against a 3-day split, as the growth stimulus fades quickly after 2 days. The advice on the HST site is to hit the full body 3 times a week (you dont kill yourself from overtraining as theres no need to push to failure, growth being triggered by the progressive (over)loading)

If you want to avoid getting 'too muscly' i suppose you want to take the research on hypertrophy efficiency and do the complete opposite - most importantly dont load progressively, although it actually might be best to hit areas frequently as if youve waited as long as one week then youll have deconditioned somewhat (meaning the previous sessions load has regained ability to promote growth again)


For efficient weight loss, HIIT - high intensity interval training sounds like what you should be aiming for. But imo thats quite an advanced thing, and any guide you come across is geared towards people people who are allready very athletic. There might be value to a beginner though if you adapted it (eg. if it says to alternate 30 second intervals of jogging at 50% intensity with sprinting flat out, maybe there would be benefit from keeping the intervals but instead alternating brisk walking with jogging, iyswim and work up gradually) I dont know whether it scales up this way or not; maybe at first plain jogging is enough. However, intervals do make exercise a lot more interesting IMO. Is there such a thing as LIIT? - that would be worth reading up on.

Thats interesting about the 3 day split Psych. I do interval training when I do my morning run, in the end I chose to do 30 mins step aerobics followed by 50 minutes pilates.



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19 Jun 2011, 2:24 pm

You need at least 30 mins of cardio to keep healthy, though if you wanna lose weight you need to make that an hour. As for exercise, if you are a beginner doing whole body work outs 3 times a week working out for 2 hours is fine. However, if you are doing intense workouts don't do it any longer than 45 mins since catabolic hormones will be released after that.



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19 Jun 2011, 2:47 pm

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However, if you are doing intense workouts don't do it any longer than 45 mins since catabolic hormones will be released after that.


Im no fan of catabolic hormones, but they might actually be desirable in this case?



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19 Jun 2011, 2:59 pm

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However, if you are doing intense workouts don't do it any longer than 45 mins since catabolic hormones will be released after that.


Im no fan of catabolic hormones, but they might actually be desirable in this case?

he probably means cortisol stress hormones (which inhibit weight loss).

dont matter tho as nothing is going to stop me over exercising till Im skinny as a skinny thing!



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20 Jun 2011, 11:34 am

@The-Raven if you overtrain by doing cardio. You will lose weight at the expense of losing alot more muscle. This will further degrade your metabolism. Even doing exercise over 10 minutes for some people can down regulate their metabolism. Hormones like cortisol, adrenaline play a part in down regulating metabolism. Cortisol isn't bad we need it to regulate blood sugar it's just an excess has the side effect of reducing your metabolic rate. You can judge your metabolism by your body temperate. Take your temperature 20 mins after your meal. If you are not 98F and above. Wrong ratios and wrong foods. If you most exercise you want to sprint for say 1min on and 2 mins of to get the burst of good hormones such as testosterone and growth hormone while minimizing the secretions of cortisol. Proper pre and post meal is very important to further reduce cortisol secretion. Protein carb and fat in pre and post workout meal. Hope this helps.


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21 Jun 2011, 2:46 pm

psych wrote:
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However, if you are doing intense workouts don't do it any longer than 45 mins since catabolic hormones will be released after that.


Im no fan of catabolic hormones, but they might actually be desirable in this case?
Well sort of. Catabolic hormones (like cortisol) inhibit protein synthesis, whereas anabolic hormones (like testosterone) promote muscle growth. Muscles have to be destroyed first before they are rebuilt. You destroy em in 45 mins and then after that you gotta let the rebuilding process run its course. Otherwise, you are overtraining.