more debate about women's faces/bodies

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Jennifer Aniston and Hugh Jackman can turn lead into gold as far as I'm concerned- that's what millions of dollars gets you.

I'm still wanting evidence for the claim "most" women can look like models by not eating junk or binge drinking-
was that a joke?

I dunno how else to process it, truthfully...

yes VW, you reminded me that this ^^^^ was the original claim. in fact, i would have to work out quite a lot to look like Jennifer Aniston or any other actress of my age group.

Her results are "amazing" because she burns more calories than she eats. The very same results can be achieved in much less time if she put more intensity to it.

She also has a high estrogen level, which is why she looks better than most other women at a similar body fat level.

No women can look like Hugh Jackman without 'roids. The stuff on how women get large, boyish muscles by lifting weights heavier than 8 lbs is a myth. A woman who works out like Hugh Jackman will (with a mesomorphic build) look like Marit Bjørgen.

This woman is a 75 year old grandmother who works out like Jackman:





Allthough not 'sexy' per se, she's much more athletic than Aniston, with more time to spare.



It depends on what movies they're acting in. Nobody can do what Anne Hathaway did as the Catwoman without hard exercise, but I've never seen Jennifer Aniston pull off any impressive maneuvers.



I didn't say it was more demanding than swimming--I said it was more demanding than yoga. I have excellent muscle genetics, but I'd still say that with Aniston's intensity, her workout is fairly easy. If you've ever tried doing deadlifts, squats, bench presses and so on for an extended period of time or injured your lower-back or rotator cuffs on heavy weights, you'd agree with me.

you don't think yoga causes injuries? i almost dislocated my hip from simply bending the wrong way. the extent of injuries does not point to a certain exercise being more demanding.

and none of it relates to what you originally said about how men and women are "expected" to look.

here are some pictures of male models. do you notice that most of them don't look like they work out wirth weights very much? it's an awful lot like what you see for female models:
http://forums.thefashionspot.com/f96/ne ... 401-2.html

both actors and actresses have to work out a lot to get their physiques, and neither gender actually has it easier. most male actors DON'T look like Hugh Jackman unless a role requires it.

That's not what I said. I said most women could reach the same body fat levels. Given that in 2012 it's perfectly normal to get morbidly drunk every weekend and eat junk food at the cafeteria at college (at least here, on the eastern-hemisphere), a lot can be achieved by not binge drinking.

Your point being? I blew my rotator cuffs doing dips and a lot of guys I know that have worked out for an extended time period either have lower back, knee, hip or rotator cuff problems. My karate trainer once said that almost all athletes over 30 has some kind of permanent injury to their joints.


I'm well aware of how they look. This is not presented as ideal to men anymore than fashion models are presented as ideal to women, though. My point is that what celebrities like J. Aniston do is not necessarily what yields the greatest results. Most women could reach the same body fat levels by increasing the intensity of their workouts in less than half the time she uses.

you seemed to think that injuries only occur from intense workouts, but that is not the case.

you seem to have a messed up[ idea of what is "ideal". if women are lusting after a certain body type, it would be considered ideal for men. many women like to look at male models in that way, as opposed to Hugh Jackman. and if you think it is easy for women to look like female models, then it would also be easy for men to look like male models. nothing "harder" there.

It's easy to reach a physique like some of the underwear models, but not the male actors. In movies aimed at both men and women, the guys look like Hugh Jackman or Christian Bale.

Scrawny male models is a recent phenomenon; take a look at the Calvin Klein shots of Mark Wahlberg roughly 15 years ago for comparison.

By the way, I am impressed with the grandmother pictures, if it is true that she is 71. She looks about 50 to me!

Turns out that Kate Beckinsale prepared for her fighting scenes in the new Total Recall movie with yoga. She used to prepare with boxing and other more high-intensity exercises, until she injured her back. She may not be the strongest actress around, but it just goes to show that sometimes yoga can just be enough for acting. But I've never seen any Total Recall movies to judge the intensity of her fighting scenes.



I agree with you there. Cardio is important for your heart health, burning calories, and weight loss, but you can work at a lower intensity for longer and still be lean and thin. Working at high intensity that uses more muscle power, and including muscle building in your routine would be harder to do, but will make you a stronger person. But I think each actress is encouraged to preserve her look.

no, you are mistaking male idols for a male audience with males idols that women find attractive. movies supposedly aimed at women often feature actors with a much less developed physique. lots of women watch movies that are geared towards a male demographic, but movies geared towards a female demographic often have different types of men featured in them. for example, Bill Pullman in While You Were Sleeping or Billy Crystal in When Harry Met Sally do not feature overly muscular men.

also, many women do like how male models look.

That is a good point. I've heard before, even from muscular men, that men will get bigger and bigger muscles to compete with other men, not because women expect them to.

And movies aimed at men do not feature stick thin fashion models, but usually a physique that is obtainable within months for most women.

Furthermore, a physique like Taylor Lautner is hard to achieve for a 17 year old.

glad to see you agree with me that men and women don't have different pressures put on them to look a certain way based on Hollywood ideals. the pressures are pretty much equivalent.

Not really. A phyisque like Kristen Stewart is more easilly available than a physique like Christian Bale.

Note that I've never claimed that women are under no pressure to look good; that pressure exists for everyone aged 8 to 50, regardless of gender. Women are under less pressure to be fit, though.

Well, depends what you mean by fitness. Exercise to maintain general health is required to look like a movie star, regardless of gender.

If you mean building muscle, though, that is different.

I'm sorry,
but I can't imagine an aesthetic LESS representative to me of "general health"
than that of the Hollywood female.