more debate about women's faces/bodies

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Man, as a man I had no idea how much "no homo" I had to put myself through comparing myself to other men. Thanks Kurgan.

Anyway, I myself like the look of Olympic lifters in the middle weight classes. (No homo.) Anyway, I feel you on the injuries a bit, I personally avoid dips and benching for the reason you found out. That and I more or less don't care how much upper body mass I have, as most women just judge muscularness by bodyfat level. I prefer the OL lifter look as you look more just athletic, and to me it's a more symetrical and balanced looking physique. No homo again, lololol. But on the injury side of things, my knees are a bit screwy from ATG squatting, so I'm gonna have to lay off that and do some leg extensions on a machine, first to hypertrophy the VMO muscle, and also get some general quad hypertrophy, as I have a lot stronger glutes and hams than quads.

But, ladies, compound lifts. Seriously, unless you spend all your time doing bicep curls AND take drugs, you will not look like a weird hermaphroditic female bodybuilder. Women who do squats end up with marvelous looking legs and butts, and pretty much any weight exercises you do, you'll still look quite feminine as long as you keep your bodyfat in the feminine range (plus or minus 20%.)

As far as body image expectations, my sport, figure skating, most of the guys doing it are ectomorphic, especially high level singles skaters. Pair skaters tend to be more bigger, but yeah. First time I saw a high level pair skater, I was like "holy crap, he's like Zangief from street fighter, because I saw him do a hold. One figure skater I know is also pretty jacked, don't know if he does pairs or not.

I think another thing too, look at like, Brian Boitano vs Johnny Wier. Brian Boitano seems to fit the mesomorph somatotype more, though.

Anyway, regarding benching, it's anecdotal, but in the 1950s and 60s when overhead pressing was king, nobody had rotator cuff problems. It's only after benching came about that rotator cuff problems became common, they used to only happen to baseball pitchers. And for what? Just some bigger chest muscles? Screw that. Arguably, the athletic carryover is slim, as you're always on your feet in athletics anyway, I guess it has some for lateral power, but yeah. I do do incline benching once in a blue moon, maybe I'll do more now that I'm in I guess an upper body "cycle." Personally too, though, from the bodybuilding standpoint, I like the look of bigger shoulders, rather than bigger pecs. People think chest chest chest so much, and I feel like shoulders are more important.