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14 Jul 2012, 12:40 pm

There's low-calorie fruits, you know. Apricots have 70 kilojoules in 35 grams of fruit. That's nothing!

[edit] Strawberries are even better. 40 kJ in 30 grams of fruit!


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14 Jul 2012, 12:57 pm

I love hearing about this stuff... I'm only just in the start of giving up the crap, starting with refined sugar (which zaps the worst of the junk food right off the bat!) My second bout of bronchitis cleared up in ONE week instead of FOUR for the first. Next big step will be the refined stuff, which will be harder since I raised myself on mac & cheese (my mother couldn't bother with feeding me as a boy, I had to fend for myself while she did whatever.)



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14 Jul 2012, 1:08 pm

One of the biggest shockers for newcomers to the healthy eating business is how many "hidden" kilojoules exist in their drinks. If you're looking for a great place to begin, start by looking at the sugar, fat, and kilojoule (or calorie, if you're American) content of your drinks and be prepared to have your jaw drop.

ESPECIALLY if you USED to like Starbucks.


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14 Jul 2012, 1:34 pm

BlueMax wrote:
I love hearing about this stuff... I'm only just in the start of giving up the crap, starting with refined sugar (which zaps the worst of the junk food right off the bat!) My second bout of bronchitis cleared up in ONE week instead of FOUR for the first. Next big step will be the refined stuff, which will be harder since I raised myself on mac & cheese (my mother couldn't bother with feeding me as a boy, I had to fend for myself while she did whatever.)


Yeah the refined stuff is hard. Canned, frozen, processed etc. Fresh food all the time takes some serious logistics, because it's so much more perishable. It's pretty hard, without a car, to have fresh food all the time, when you have to trudge down to the grocery store and haul back your food like a mule. And then to go through all the work of actually preparing meals, instead of just pouring something into a pot or popping it into the oven. The demands in term of time and energy and money are much, much higher. It wouldn't be too bad if you can drive or lived real close to a grocery or perhaps just a fruit and vegetable vendor. But I find it really difficult, for reasons more than just habit.



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14 Jul 2012, 2:05 pm

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Yeah the refined stuff is hard. Canned, frozen, processed etc. Fresh food all the time takes some serious logistics, because it's so much more perishable. It's pretty hard, without a car, to have fresh food all the time, when you have to trudge down to the grocery store and haul back your food like a mule. And then to go through all the work of actually preparing meals, instead of just pouring something into a pot or popping it into the oven. The demands in term of time and energy and money are much, much higher. It wouldn't be too bad if you can drive or lived real close to a grocery or perhaps just a fruit and vegetable vendor. But I find it really difficult, for reasons more than just habit.


It's that way for me too. I don't have a car and would have to take a bus to get my groceries. That would be $3 per round trip just for the bus. That would be if I actually had money to buy my own food.

We have a relative that takes my mother to the grocery store once a week and she buys all the groceries. I can pick out a few things for myself but most stuff I can't. Eventually that relative will move away and we'll always have to take buses or cabs to the grocery store.

I don't really like to cook and I won't eat food I don't like just because it's healthy.



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14 Jul 2012, 2:09 pm

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BlueMax wrote:
I love hearing about this stuff... I'm only just in the start of giving up the crap, starting with refined sugar (which zaps the worst of the junk food right off the bat!) My second bout of bronchitis cleared up in ONE week instead of FOUR for the first. Next big step will be the refined stuff, which will be harder since I raised myself on mac & cheese (my mother couldn't bother with feeding me as a boy, I had to fend for myself while she did whatever.)


Yeah the refined stuff is hard. Canned, frozen, processed etc. Fresh food all the time takes some serious logistics, because it's so much more perishable. It's pretty hard, without a car, to have fresh food all the time, when you have to trudge down to the grocery store and haul back your food like a mule. And then to go through all the work of actually preparing meals, instead of just pouring something into a pot or popping it into the oven. The demands in term of time and energy and money are much, much higher. It wouldn't be too bad if you can drive or lived real close to a grocery or perhaps just a fruit and vegetable vendor. But I find it really difficult, for reasons more than just habit.


I actually live only 3-4 blocks away from a decent grocery store... the walk would be good for me, especially the climb up & down the overpass. It's only a little more money than fast food... I just don't seem to have the energy for all that cooking. The crushing loneliness just drains me... I can barely get through an 8-hour workday. At least the work-lunch food I've been buying switched from Burger King to Subway (minus the sauce and cheese.)



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14 Jul 2012, 2:41 pm

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I actually live only 3-4 blocks away from a decent grocery store... the walk would be good for me, especially the climb up & down the overpass. It's only a little more money than fast food... I just don't seem to have the energy for all that cooking. The crushing loneliness just drains me... I can barely get through an 8-hour workday. At least the work-lunch food I've been buying switched from Burger King to Subway (minus the sauce and cheese.)


Google-Fu, young padawan. Lots of recipes out there for fast and healthy meals, you're hardly the first man to be in your predicament.

[edit] Also, stop cutting the sauce out of your favorite subs. Many of them (such as the club) are already very healthy, and light condiments are a great way to add lots of flavor to your meal without packing on the calories. NO diet will work unless you can actually ENJOY the new food you're eating. The cheese can go, if you wanna cut some calories out. Cheese tends to be quite calorie-dense.


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14 Jul 2012, 3:15 pm

Shau, you didn't wanswer my question. have you ever been fat? if not, and if you have never been addicted to hard drugs, then i suggest you should stop judging fat people. many of them are addicted to FOOD, not just bad food.


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14 Jul 2012, 3:16 pm

BlueMax wrote:
I actually live only 3-4 blocks away from a decent grocery store... the walk would be good for me, especially the climb up & down the overpass. It's only a little more money than fast food... I just don't seem to have the energy for all that cooking. The crushing loneliness just drains me... I can barely get through an 8-hour workday. At least the work-lunch food I've been buying switched from Burger King to Subway (minus the sauce and cheese.)


Oh geez ... pack a lunch, man! I remember once I worked at this autobody shop, and the lunch truck (colloquially referred to as the "maggot wagon") would stop by. You could carry a tab with this fellow, and every day for a while I was getting gross but hot food. Exorbitantly expensive, terribly unhealthy, and there was zero time saved because between us and the mechanic shop next door, there was a lineup and it didn't just eat into my morning time, but into the precious half hour I had for lunch break.

Eventually I just started making a smoked meat sandwich and packing it with some carrots or yogurt or something like that the night before. Way healthier, longer and more relaxed break, much less expensive.



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14 Jul 2012, 3:23 pm

for the people who feel better from eating healthy foods, good for you. but you should be aware that your experience is not universal. many people feel horrible and even get sicker from eating 'healthy' foods and/or losing weight. it is extremely individual. i am not speaking for myself. i lost 90 lb and i eat 'healthy' foods most of the time, but it was harder than anything else i have ever done, even compared to quitting smoking and kicking drugs. it is a constant struggle.


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14 Jul 2012, 3:50 pm

I hear you, hyperlexian. I don't eat any of the junk foods mentioned in this thread. I'm extremely aware of sugar in *everything*. But even eating very healthily, I'm still a little bit overweight.

Of course, I'll be 45 next month, and I'm still premenopausal (body still acts like it wants to carry a baby). It just gets harder to take off weight when you get older, everyone, not that I was ever champion at it.

I'm happy with myself, though. I never "feel" any different with any particular diet, but I like to eat healthy just as a bit of a challenge and because I know (intellectually, since I'm average) that I'm doing my body good. I also set a good example for my kids (have to, since their father feeds them garbage).

Also challenging, either due to age or having babies, I'm anemic. I eat plenty of iron-rich foods, but I don't absorb it all for some reason.



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14 Jul 2012, 4:47 pm

Pork sausage's!!



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14 Jul 2012, 4:48 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
for the people who feel better from eating healthy foods, good for you. but you should be aware that your experience is not universal. many people feel horrible and even get sicker from eating 'healthy' foods and/or losing weight. it is extremely individual. i am not speaking for myself. i lost 90 lb and i eat 'healthy' foods most of the time, but it was harder than anything else i have ever done, even compared to quitting smoking and kicking drugs. it is a constant struggle.


It's not a case of feeling better about eating, it's a case of knowing what is best and having the discipline to make the right choices that are better in the long run. It takes as much as discipline for everyone else to maintain a good physique and standard of health. Sugar is addictive, that's why people become addicted to chocolate, it's about realizing that and taking responsibility.

Here's a good article explaining Simple Sugars vs Complex Carbohydrates. http://www.briancalkins.com/simplevscomplexcarb.htm

Here's an article on how addictive sugar is.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04 ... able-sugar



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14 Jul 2012, 4:58 pm

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It takes as much as discipline for everyone else to maintain a good physique and standard of health.


Nah ... I don't think so. Some things are easier for some people, some things are harder. It's just how it is. Brain chemistry, genetics, neurology, etc



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14 Jul 2012, 5:00 pm

^That's obviously not the case, Edgewaters.
If people's weight struggles are individual that means we can't label teh fattiez collectively lazy and stupid!

Conclusion --- > Premise


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14 Jul 2012, 5:12 pm

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Wolfheart wrote:
It takes as much as discipline for everyone else to maintain a good physique and standard of health.


Nah ... I don't think so. Some things are easier for some people, some things are harder. It's just how it is. Brain chemistry, genetics, neurology, etc


Well that's simply a case of finding what works for the person motivates you and making the effort, yes, genetics and neurology can be a factor but a major determining factor is willpower, determination and discipline.

Tried and tested methods and programs like P90X have proven that, thousands of people have lost weight on it by following a strict diet and routine with effort and discipline.