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15 Aug 2012, 2:50 pm
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
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I prefer men with beards- indicates he doesn't buy into the nonsense that is the Western obsession with hair removal.
Even if women with hormonal imbalances (can sometimes) have MORE hair than others,
to have NO hair at all is otherwise in nature a sign of prepubescence, IE, non-fertility.
Or, in the modern world, a hairphobic culture that fetishizes youth.
So long as said hairphobes don't employ double standards like several in this thread, I'm whatever about it.
Even if women with hormonal imbalances (can sometimes) have MORE hair than others,
to have NO hair at all is otherwise in nature a sign of prepubescence, IE, non-fertility.
Or, in the modern world, a hairphobic culture that fetishizes youth.
So long as said hairphobes don't employ double standards like several in this thread, I'm whatever about it.
A girl before puberty does not have enough estrogen to develop breasts, rounded hips and so on.
She also doesn't yet have the hormones which cause body hair growth.
Total hairlessness in humans is a sign of prepubescence.
Dude, I don't care if you like body hair or not. Just don't pretend there's an evo-psych reason for it, when it's actually the opposite.
There is an evolutionary reason. High estrogen and low estrogen is regarded higher than vice verca and a dead giveaway is body hair levels. At 15 ng/dl of testosterone, a woman will have almost no body hair. This is why American women of Asian origin have almost no armpit hair.
Puberty and fertility brings with it MORE body hair, not less. Hairlessness (on the body at least) isn't seen in humans outside prepubescence and hairphobic cultures.
I'm not sure what part of this is difficult?
Puberty with high testosterone brings with it much hair, puberty with low testosterone brings wth it very little hair. In fact, some very feminine women only have terminal hairs near their pubic region and only have vellus hairs in their armpits.
Seems to me like you're bitter because it can be explained biologically, whereas a modern day distaste for beards can not.
You're drawing a false dichotomy.
TOTAL hairlessness is what we're talking about, IE the result of shaving or waxing an area.
Fertile women post-puberty have at least SOME body hair.
As for my "bitterness", I already said I found beards more attractive, because they indicate someone who isn't hairphobic like the rest of pop culture.
the reason for shaving is because those people can not reach that low hair status. So they take it completely off to get as close to that as possible.
And finding something attractive because others hate it is not entirely smart
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15 Aug 2012, 3:07 pm
MXH wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
MXH wrote:
the reason for shaving is because those people can not reach that low hair status. So they take it completely off to get as close to that as possible.
Why should they want to reach that "low hair status" when it's not seen naturally except in prepubescent, IE, infertile females?
Is there an echo in here? (here...here...here...)
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And finding something attractive because others hate it is not entirely smart
I highly doubt what we find attractive is so methodical a mental process as to involve intelligence,
but to be attracted to external cues when they might be indicative of certain attractive personality traits is pretty common among people, you'll find.
A lack of interest in wasting time and money on herd-like conformity is one of those personality traits for me. Personally.
Because as kurgan has said a billion times already (so maybe there is an echo), the people going for shaved arent doing it to appear prepubescent, they are doing it to appear as someone with naturally little peachfuzz like hair. While they personally look like they are smuggling chewbaca around their underwear.
watchout, we got a badass over here
They're doing it to make it look like they have very low testosterone levels.
@VW: A man does not look more masculine without a beard, nor are beards caused by female hormones.
15 Aug 2012, 3:07 pm
15 Aug 2012, 3:10 pm
Kurgan wrote:
MXH wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
MXH wrote:
the reason for shaving is because those people can not reach that low hair status. So they take it completely off to get as close to that as possible.
Why should they want to reach that "low hair status" when it's not seen naturally except in prepubescent, IE, infertile females?
Is there an echo in here? (here...here...here...)
MXH wrote:
And finding something attractive because others hate it is not entirely smart
I highly doubt what we find attractive is so methodical a mental process as to involve intelligence,
but to be attracted to external cues when they might be indicative of certain attractive personality traits is pretty common among people, you'll find.
A lack of interest in wasting time and money on herd-like conformity is one of those personality traits for me. Personally.
Because as kurgan has said a billion times already (so maybe there is an echo), the people going for shaved arent doing it to appear prepubescent, they are doing it to appear as someone with naturally little peachfuzz like hair. While they personally look like they are smuggling chewbaca around their underwear.
watchout, we got a badass over here
They're doing it to make it look like they have very low testosterone levels.
@VW: A man does not look more masculine without a beard, nor are beards caused by female hormones.
a lot of women think men DO look more masculine without beards, because what is considered more masculine (or feminine) is actually opinion and not fact.
you are making things up again. there is no biological or social universal standard for what is considered more "feminine" or masculine". a good example for that is how you posted pictures of female bodybuilders a while back and insisted that they looked feminine, when to many people they do not.
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15 Aug 2012, 3:13 pm
Kurgan wrote:
@VW: A man does not look more masculine without a beard, nor are beards caused by female hormones.
Female body hair isn't caused by "male" hormones.
Because if testosterone was an exclusively-male hormone,
IT WOULDN'T BE IN WOMEN AND CAUSING NATURAL HAIR GROWTH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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15 Aug 2012, 3:14 pm
15 Aug 2012, 3:18 pm
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
@VW: A man does not look more masculine without a beard, nor are beards caused by female hormones.
Female body hair isn't caused by "male" hormones.
Because if testosterone was an exclusively-male hormone,
IT WOULDN'T BE IN WOMEN AND CAUSING NATURAL HAIR GROWTH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Men have 20 times as much of it. Women need very small doses to prevent excessive muscle wasting the same way men need small amounts of estrogen to keep up their bone density.
15 Aug 2012, 3:19 pm
15 Aug 2012, 3:21 pm
Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
@VW: A man does not look more masculine without a beard, nor are beards caused by female hormones.
Female body hair isn't caused by "male" hormones.
Because if testosterone was an exclusively-male hormone,
IT WOULDN'T BE IN WOMEN AND CAUSING NATURAL HAIR GROWTH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Men have 20 times as much of it. Women need very small doses to prevent excessive muscle wasting the same way men need small amounts of estrogen to keep up their bone density.
no, it serves other purposes as well. it tends to drive the libido in women (and it does not have that purpose in men to the same degree - other hormones affect the sex drive). it is an important hormone in women's bodies, and does not make them less feminine for its existence.
15 Aug 2012, 3:25 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
@VW: A man does not look more masculine without a beard, nor are beards caused by female hormones.
Female body hair isn't caused by "male" hormones.
Because if testosterone was an exclusively-male hormone,
IT WOULDN'T BE IN WOMEN AND CAUSING NATURAL HAIR GROWTH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Men have 20 times as much of it. Women need very small doses to prevent excessive muscle wasting the same way men need small amounts of estrogen to keep up their bone density.
no, it serves other purposes as well. it tends to drive the libido in women (and it does not have that purpose in men to the same degree - other hormones affect the sex drive). it is an important hormone in women's bodies, and does not make them less feminine for its existence.
It makes them more masculine and by competing against estrogen in their bodies, it also makes them less feminine. There are many hormones that fuels a woman's sex drive; lack of sex drive may also be because of low estrogen and progeseron levels.
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