15 Apr 2013, 10:39 am
Schneekugel wrote:
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I literally just think they're being gross when they eat smelly meals around me...
I think you are overdoing it sometimes. Normally people dont eat stuff, to be gross. They eat stuff, because they like it and it tastes good for them.
I absolutely cant stand the smell of ripe granted Parmesan. There are now two possibilities: The whole world has done a conspiracy against me, with the goal to tell people to use parmesan in salads and foods, with the only purpose that they gross me.
Or the other possibility is, that theere are many people who simply like stinking parmesan. ^^ This is not about being gross. They simply like parmesan, and thats why they eat it. And its a pretty normal food. I mean if someone brought with him that scandinavian mold fish delicatess, which is rather hard to get in my country and, simply because people are not used to the smell and taste of that, and starts eating that beside me while grinning and looking at me, I also would think that the person would want to terrorize me. But eating flesh is in our cultures rather normal, as is eating parmesan, so it is much likely that people eating those things simply like flesh or parmesan.
As my partner hates sea food. that I like. Neither do I want to gross him when eating seafood, nor does he want to gross me by eating parmesan. We simply eat it, because we like it. So sure we care for each other, so in earlier times my partner grated his fresh parmesan about half a meter upon his plate, so lots of the parmesan powder got into the air and it was horrible for me. Now he is grating his parmesan directly above his plate so it only falls about 5cm and then is bound to the food. While I try to eat my seafood in the most appetizing way, so normally I have the menu card in front of my plate, so he cant see me cutting the sea food, only the propper cutted pieces that are finally on my fork.
So I really dont know if you have some kind of war with some guys, and because of that they are really trying to gross you, but normally simply eat what they like because they like it and dont care to gross other people. Did you ever eat something you dont like, only because you wanted to gross someone?
I never talked about their intentions, you're being INTENTIONALLY DENSE.
The guys I'm having this "war" with are sending me pictures of dead house cats and dogs that were beaten to death etc.
That IS INTENTIONALLY being a jackass.
The people who gross me out by eating stinky food or chewing with their mouths open are not INTENTIONALLY GROSSING ME OUT but it doesn't change the fact that it grosses me out. It's not like I BLAME them for being gross, people just ARE GROSS CREATURES. I don't blame them, I just don't like being around it.
How is that comparable to a "world has done a conspiracy against me" ? You're being f*****g ridiculous. I haven't ever had expectations of people NOT to gross me out but it's ridiculous to expect me to NOT BE GROSSED OUT. It's just LIFE.
However, sending pictures of dead animals is not just a normal part of everyday life. It's disgusting and intentionally so.
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15 Apr 2013, 10:40 am
Clarification for anyone who has reading comprehension issues(it's fine if you do, not judging you) THE GUYS SENDING ME PICTURES OF DEAD ANIMALS ARE NOT IN THE SAME GROUP AS PEOPLE WHO EAT SMELLY FOOD AROUND ME IN TERMS OF OFFENSIVE ACTIONS
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15 Apr 2013, 11:26 am
15 Apr 2013, 7:08 pm
16 Apr 2013, 4:34 am
16 Apr 2013, 10:59 am
Schneekugel wrote:
If I was you I simply would avoid other people. The problem is: Either you are a perfect actress, then there is no problem. Or you are a normal person, no perfect actress, and that means that through your behavior, people "feel" how negative you are thinking about them.
Before you get me again wrong and tick out again, its not about blaming you. But try to imagine meeting with someone that shows you without intention, that he thinks that you are a minor gross creature. The way he talks, the way he speaks, his body language shows you, that he thinks of you as a minor being, a creature. Whenever you ask him something he is annoyed. Everything you do is a disturbance for him. You feel, that from his oppinion, he would feel best if you simply wouldnt be here.
I wouldnt like this person, I wouldnt want to have fun with that person, and the last thing I would like to to, is to let me convince from this person from anything, be it vegetarism, politician, religion or anything else. I wouldnt want to talk to this person, so why should I be happy if he preaches me about his eating habbits? Listening to a person that thinks of me as a less worth gross creature, is simply a loss of time. Every minute I listen to this person is a wasted minute for me.
The thing is: When you are thinking of other people as creatures that have less worth, and you are no perfect hollywood actor, people "feel" it through your behavior. I do not say, that you do this on purpose, and I do not say, that there is something to blame about it. This is simply how you feel. And this is simply how they feel. There is nothing to blame about how we feel, we only can blame how we handle our feelings.
From my opinion you have three options: 1) Become a perfect actor, so people dont realize anymore by your body language, that you think of them as less worth gross creatures and oppose you of this naturally, and are f**** up about anything you talk about, simply because its you.
2) Work on your anger, because its not good for you either to think of someone as a minor creature, simply because he is doing something without intention, thats angering you. I am f**** up by a lot of things to, but this doesnt force me to decide to think of the person responsible for the problem, to be a gross creature. PEOPLE ARE NOT GROSS CREATURES so you have to think of them in that way. YOU HAVE DECIDED that you want to see people, that are angering you without purpose as gross creatures. Everyone here can understand, that there are lots of things that are terrorizing us, and most of us suffered from this until meltdowns. But still that doesnt turn a person responsible for the melt down, into a gross creature. I am free to think of them in that way, but I dont have to. And no, its not about comforting others, its also about comforting you. Because living in a world that surrounds you only with gross creatures of minor worth, cant be a happy living for you either. If everyone around you is a gross creature, then who is left for you to become a friend you appreciate?
3) Or simply avoid those gross creatures with less worth around you, but I think its pretty simple to understand why a person, that you treat without intention as gross creature with minor worth, dont want to listen to you in any way and is rejecting your thoughts in any way. If someone let me feel, that he thinks that I am a gross creature, I am not interested about him preaching me of his opinions, whatever they are. Not because that the opinions might be wrong, but simply because there are lot of other people that have the same oppinions, and that dont treat me as a gross creature.
So yes, if such a person would want to tell me something about vegan eating, I would oppose him. Not because the topic is so annoying, but simply because the person is so annoying. There are lots of people to, that have the same opinions and dont think of me as a less worth gross creature. So why the hell should I want to waste my time to listen to this person instead listening to another person with the same oppinions, but treating me more friendly?
Before you get me again wrong and tick out again, its not about blaming you. But try to imagine meeting with someone that shows you without intention, that he thinks that you are a minor gross creature. The way he talks, the way he speaks, his body language shows you, that he thinks of you as a minor being, a creature. Whenever you ask him something he is annoyed. Everything you do is a disturbance for him. You feel, that from his oppinion, he would feel best if you simply wouldnt be here.
I wouldnt like this person, I wouldnt want to have fun with that person, and the last thing I would like to to, is to let me convince from this person from anything, be it vegetarism, politician, religion or anything else. I wouldnt want to talk to this person, so why should I be happy if he preaches me about his eating habbits? Listening to a person that thinks of me as a less worth gross creature, is simply a loss of time. Every minute I listen to this person is a wasted minute for me.
The thing is: When you are thinking of other people as creatures that have less worth, and you are no perfect hollywood actor, people "feel" it through your behavior. I do not say, that you do this on purpose, and I do not say, that there is something to blame about it. This is simply how you feel. And this is simply how they feel. There is nothing to blame about how we feel, we only can blame how we handle our feelings.
From my opinion you have three options: 1) Become a perfect actor, so people dont realize anymore by your body language, that you think of them as less worth gross creatures and oppose you of this naturally, and are f**** up about anything you talk about, simply because its you.
2) Work on your anger, because its not good for you either to think of someone as a minor creature, simply because he is doing something without intention, thats angering you. I am f**** up by a lot of things to, but this doesnt force me to decide to think of the person responsible for the problem, to be a gross creature. PEOPLE ARE NOT GROSS CREATURES so you have to think of them in that way. YOU HAVE DECIDED that you want to see people, that are angering you without purpose as gross creatures. Everyone here can understand, that there are lots of things that are terrorizing us, and most of us suffered from this until meltdowns. But still that doesnt turn a person responsible for the melt down, into a gross creature. I am free to think of them in that way, but I dont have to. And no, its not about comforting others, its also about comforting you. Because living in a world that surrounds you only with gross creatures of minor worth, cant be a happy living for you either. If everyone around you is a gross creature, then who is left for you to become a friend you appreciate?
3) Or simply avoid those gross creatures with less worth around you, but I think its pretty simple to understand why a person, that you treat without intention as gross creature with minor worth, dont want to listen to you in any way and is rejecting your thoughts in any way. If someone let me feel, that he thinks that I am a gross creature, I am not interested about him preaching me of his opinions, whatever they are. Not because that the opinions might be wrong, but simply because there are lot of other people that have the same oppinions, and that dont treat me as a gross creature.
So yes, if such a person would want to tell me something about vegan eating, I would oppose him. Not because the topic is so annoying, but simply because the person is so annoying. There are lots of people to, that have the same opinions and dont think of me as a less worth gross creature. So why the hell should I want to waste my time to listen to this person instead listening to another person with the same oppinions, but treating me more friendly?
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16 Apr 2013, 11:08 am
AnniPierrot wrote:
I personally haven't got anything against vegetarians or vegans.
But all of the vegans I've met have tried to tell me they're:
a) morally better people because they don't kill animals
b) healthier people
They try to force their beliefs on me which I despise immensely because sure, you can live a vegan lifestyle I respect that, so why can't you respect my beliefs? They're not morally better than me, they're still killing living things. They're not healthier either.
You are definitely the first vegan who hasn't tried to force their beliefs on other people and tell them they're better people because they're vegan. I'm sorry that instead people are trying to force their beliefs on you :/ Just explain to them that it's your choice and so they should respect it just as you do with theirs.
But all of the vegans I've met have tried to tell me they're:
a) morally better people because they don't kill animals
b) healthier people
They try to force their beliefs on me which I despise immensely because sure, you can live a vegan lifestyle I respect that, so why can't you respect my beliefs? They're not morally better than me, they're still killing living things. They're not healthier either.
You are definitely the first vegan who hasn't tried to force their beliefs on other people and tell them they're better people because they're vegan. I'm sorry that instead people are trying to force their beliefs on you :/ Just explain to them that it's your choice and so they should respect it just as you do with theirs.
I don't really care what other people do beyond it being gross and not wanting it directly in front of me. People feel like morals are a competition and they aren't subjective etc. People can't see beyond their own BS most of the time and I'm OK with all of that because I don't feel like it's fair, I'm not excluded from not seeing beyond my own BS a lot of the time.
The guys who were doing that were just some guys that work on my friend's brother's crew, they thought it was funny. I blocked their numbers from texting me and saved them as contacts to set their calls to go straight to voice mail just in case.
It really was just them that were going too far and he told some people I said eating meat should be illegal which explains why on these couple of occasions people were getting really defensive with me. I didn't feel like explaining myself so it wasn't resolved. I still am not going to explain myself because I don't owe an explanation for their assumptions, but if they directly ask me if I said that, of course I'll answer.
Situation: pretty much resolved on my end.
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