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i really like middleweight right now. felix sturm is a really solid boxer (probably uninteresting to you US guys because he has a really solid defense. but he basically outboxed de la hoya and was stolen the victory...) and arthur abraham is someone to really watch out for. crazy armenian guy, got a punch worse than a horses kick and managed to got his jaw double broken in round two or so, and won the fight by knockout in round eleven.

ium also really fond of some female boxers. although the queen of boxing, regina halmich, quit her career, susi kentikian could be very interesting to you guys. shes also super agressive.

well, both of them get quite the media coverage here in germany, obviously. in exchange, its hard keeping up with US boxing, apart from some top names like hopkins etcetera.
a fight between them has been murmured, but i havent heard anything concrete. abraham plans on hitting (pun intended, hurr hurr) the states in two or three fights, as he runs out of people who want to fight him over here.

re amateur boxing: absolutely. truth be told, i havent seen a boxing style so deviant from amateur boxing as in the states. over here, its pretty much normal to pursue amateur boxing first and then go professional from there.
you really should check out susi kentikian. her style should please you. all up-close, hooks galore, and a stunning knockout quota for a girl.

Having an extensive amatuar careers will only help you so much in the pros. It's good have a amataur career, since it'll help you with fundamentals, but you have to kind of re-learn things when you go pro. Kind of like college QBs that are use to playing spread-option, which most NFL teams hardly ever use.

Amataur boxers fighting style is to get points for a win, and their opponents fight in almost identical fashion. This does not prepare a boxer when they go up against a brawler, a bizarre fighter that does everything unorthidox, thus making them very unpredictable and almost impossible to time their shots. Not to mention their intent is not to score points for a win, but to knock your head clear off and cause as much destruction on you as they can.

Recent example of this was Joe Calzaghe vs Kessler fight. Kessler is great, fundamentally sound boxer, and he fought a good fight against Calzaghe. But Calzaghe unorthodox, weird style of fighting confused Kessler and midway through the fight he looked bewildered and didn't know what to do against a fighter like Calzaghe.

Joe Calzaghe is going to be fighting Bernard Hopkins soon. I pick calzaghe by decision.

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I don't know where get the idea that US is just full of brawlers. I think opposit is true.

Mayweather is the Pound 4 Pound best fighter, and he's far from a brawler. Ricki Hatton was a brawler, and we all know what happened to him.


US has best compition, because that is where the money is at as far as boxing, so the best go there to fight. Pac-Man is huge in his home country, yet he comes to US to fight best Latin fighters in Super-Fights.


As for commit about brawlers. One-demensional brawlers never last long, because they will get exposed by a decent boxer.

And what I mean by Euro fighters getting exposed is guys like Victor Oganov who came to the States with a 26-0(26) record and got dealt with by journeyman Fulgencio Zuniga.

That is just one of many examples.

well, brawling was a bit provocative, i give you that. what i mean is that in the US, boxing matches tend to be fought in a much more open style compared to the rather defensive-dominated russian school that dominates over here (and the US heavyweights ). of course, there are style exceptions on both side of the ocean and there are boxers of both schools that are insanely adept at how they box. as i said, its not styles that win fights, its fighters that win fights.

a counterexample: sturm vs. de la hoya. and de la hoya sure didnt fight a bad fight - its just that he couldnt drive it home against sturm, who plainly outboxed him.
people came from all over the world to fight sven ottke and they all lost big time because they just didnt manage to hit him, let alone hit him hard.

Grantzilla I can totally understand the US perspective of foreign fighters with unbeaten records traveling to the US and getting badly outclassed. Naseem Hamed is probably a good example. I found Joe Calzaghe's career intensely frustrating as a fan. I hate Frank Warren for mollycoddling his fighters.

There is no doubt in my mind that America is the mecca of professional boxing. In my view the US pro style of boxing is flashier and more complex. Not necessarily lacking defence but the defence seems to be designed to facilitate counter attacks more. For instance fighters like Mayweather who roll their shoulders to deflect punches and have perfected the art of head movement really exemplify this style. James Toney is another excellent example of a brilliant defensive fighter who always has his hands down low. He just seems to be able to stand right in front of opponents and not take any significant damage. Making the punch miss or staying in the pocket ready to instantly counter attack is what makes this style more exciting than absorbing the punches using a high guard. If you use your arms to block it's harder to counterattack. But you wouldn't teach this style as the basics for boxing.

Aries you are correct. That sort of defense, bobbing and weaving, was first used by Jack Dempsey. Dempsey took what he learned from his days of bar room brawling with toughs, and applied it with boxing. He made himself almost impossible to hit, and his fight with the giant Willard is probably the most brutal fight ever seen. He busted Willards, ribs, gave him brain damage, and made him def in one year.

This style was improved upon by Smokin' Joe Frazier and then even more refined during Tyson's prime years. When Tyson was in his prime, he bobbed and weaved and it was almost impossible for a fighter to land a clean shot on him. Later, after he fired his main trainer, his skills fell by the way side. He become just a head-hunter and used no defense, and that is how got picked apart by Douglas.

Another fighter that used his expirance of fighting on the street was Hagler. His weird, animal like fighting, where he'd switch in and out of Southpaw to orthodox made him a very frusterating fighter to fight.

And that is why I said a lot of Euro fighters fight like robots. They don't make their fighting natural. It's all textbook fighting.