more debate about women's faces/bodies

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If we're looking to RUNWAY MODELS as being exemplary of "health",
I think that says a lot about Western culture.
You can be healthy and fit at nearly any size.
Good for you for realizing that!

I'm so glad you agree with me. The thing with me is because of the medication I take my metabolism is really slow so I have to put in some extra effort in exercise and some extra willpower in eating. People tell me I need to treat myself to junk food. If I could I would, but I'd rather stay healthy and fit into my clothes.

Actually I do.

Your article is attempting this logic:

exercising means you use more oxygen
oxygen makes you age
therefore exercising more makes you age faster

Unfortunately this chain, is based on the free radical theory of aging.

If you check your science (actual robust long term studies published in peer reviewed well respected journals not crap produced by cosmetic\health companies and published in women's magazines) You will find that there is precisely zero evidence underpinning the 'free radical' concept. If you bother to even check the wikipedia article on it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-radic ... y_of_aging

You will see under the heading 'antioxidant therapy' 9 links to proper science journals and not women's magazines. Including a 30 year study of 1/2 million people across Europe. Actual science seems to suggest that gobbling down lots of antioxidants has an adverse effect on the human body.


PS - You also need to look closely at the wording - 'exhaustive exercise'

It means the sort of stress that people put themselves under when doing the tour de France, only the most extreme athletes are ever going to actual do 'exhaustive exercise' a couple of hours down the gym really doesn't count.

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I think both men and women look more youthful and attractive with fuller faces and bodies,
especially women, who require a higher level just to remain fertile.

They don't call it "baby fat" for nothin'-
the chiseled, hard look adds decades to my perception of someone's age.

It's called "baby fat" because babies are plump. If it's applied to women, then it's in reference to weight gained during pregnancy.

All other things being equal, women within normal weight range or even a little underweight, have no difficulty conceiving.

Yes, those are two other usages.
I used it in reference to the fat a lot of people have in adolescent years which gives way to leaner tissue by adulthood.

All other things being equal,
this isn't true for every woman- I don't ovulate in the so-called "normal" weight range because my body fat percentage is too low,
and most women who are overweight continue to.

My point was that a certain level of fat is necessary to sustain a pregnancy-
ratios between height and weight
(or the "BMI"- I'm assuming that's the standard you were appealing to with "normal" and "underweight")
=/= body fat percentage.


Regardless, I simply don't like the aesthetics of hard lines and angularism as opposed to softer, curved shapes. The art movements I gravitate toward reflect this.

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The bottom line is if you are comfortable with your body, if you feel healthy, if you exercise at least once a day, you eat correctly with minimal junk food, that's all that matters.

With me I'll do anything to stay a size 18/20 because that's where I feel most comfortable and healthiest. Well, once I lose the 10-13 pounds I gained after the seizure I will. I'm still a size 18/20 though because my clothes fit.

Absolutely.

I stopped worrying about weight when I started working out a ton and found the pants that fit at one weight were falling off when I was seven pounds above it.

I just go by my jeans now.

As long as I can pull my jeans up over my belly and can adjust my belt I'm happy

This is why it's important to not allow obesity to become socially acceptable because I know how it feels to feel uncomfortable or not confident in your body. We need to teach people that there is something better around the corner and that they can achieve a healthy standard through correct diet and training.

If you become content in yourself, you stop learning and you stop growing, that can be applied to anything. They say that the greatest people are more self critical than anyone else and that's because they are constantly pushing themselves to grow.

Hyper, you may not agree with me but there's no need to keep deleting my posts because they don't agree with your biased perceptions.

There are thousands of people that have gotten shredded through the use of P90X and communities like beach body and there are thousands of people getting in shape at this instance. If we help people to achieve a better standard of health and educate people more on nutrition, we are not only helping society but we are helping them to feel better about themselves.

There are so many benefits to exercise and for you to deny it and makes excuses is just plain ignorant, there are so many mental and physical benefits that people have even used it as a way to overcome depression and anxiety.

It is recommended by the national health service and I have never heard anything as rubbish as you stating that it is something that ages people or that it doesn't look aesthetically appeasing over someone that is obese.

i didn't delete any of your posts, Wolfheart :/ . all of the off-topic posts were moved from that other thread to this one.

at NO TIME have i ever said that it is a good idea not to exercise. what i did say is that OVER-exercising can make some people look prematurely aged.

this doesn't really make sense. as far as i read it, you're saying that just because you were uncomfortable in your own skin, you think obese people shouldn't be accepted in society?

i think maybe you should focus on your own goals and leave other people to theirs, because they don't necessarily fit into the box you've constructed. then you can both be happy. your idea of "better" isn't the same as the next person.

being fit and eating well are good things for health, but being thin or muscly isn't necessary for that.


good point. i think an athlete could be a great role model for a child interested in sports.

I was actually saying that because I wasn't content, it pushed me to want to be better and that it gave me more confidence and I think that can be applied to any example. If we teach children about the correct nutrition and standard of health, they have a much better chance of living a healthier, confident life.

As Bruce Lee even stated although he was a master, he was still a student so he was forever learning. The moment you become content, the moment you stop having high expectations for yourself is the moment you stop going hard and growing.

I do not mean to insinuate or over-react but I do feel passionately about this topic.

Personally Wolfheart, I agree with you 100% about the confidence etc. I gained in looking better then I did when I hated myself. I feel better in my skin not only by what I see physically but the way that my body works, as a whole, mentally emotionally, etc.

For me reaching size14 (Aus) was my straw that broke the camels back. But it was the other stuff in my life that contributed to self loathing. This was my change for the better and the self loathing disappeared with the other issues as well as the weight.

But.. that was my case and not everyone will have the same triggers to change their way of life (I'm talking weight here as the eg. coz it's easy to pick right?...But it could be anything) Other people might be fine with being that size 14, 16 or 18 etc.... I certainly wasn't.

I too can't understand now I'm on the flip side why anyone wouldn't want to feel as good as I do now. I'm fit and healthier then I've ever been, but I do accept their decision because it's not mine, it's not my life.

I know where I'd rather be, 20/20 is a wonderful thing, I'm just annoyed at myself I didn't do something sooner.