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02 May 2012, 3:10 am

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Eating around 500 calories a day and 6 hours on the treadmill isn't a healthy lifestyle. It's not a normal routine.

It may not be normal, but it isn't necessarily unhealthy. I don't know about the calories, though more and more research is showing the substantial health benefits of eating signficantly less than is customary in the west, and even of fasting completely every other day ( halts/slows the growth of cancer for example, and many other degenerative diseases ) ... but about the hours spent on the treadmill; there is nothing at all intrinsically wrong or unhealthy about this amount of physical or manual labour per day.

Millions of people have done this amount of physical work ( whether in the home, out in the fields, or in factories/workshops ), every day for thousands of years, many of them on far fewer calories than is generally recommended in the industrialised west ( with its epidemics of obesity and diabetes), some of those millions lucky enough to get these restricted calories in the form of concentrated fats and protein which provide the most efficient forms of nourishment.
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02 May 2012, 8:53 am

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Eating around 500 calories a day and 6 hours on the treadmill isn't a healthy lifestyle. It's not a normal routine.

You're confusing "normal" with "average".
There is incredible variation in the physiology of human beings.

Mine is such that I became obese eating next to nothing,
and my weight shoots up the instant I consume much more.

I have no identifiable weight or thyroid-related pathology.
There just exists a spectrum of metabolisms.

I think there's an argument to be made for some people's "set points" being much higher than popularly-considered "healthy",
but in my case, I don't suffer from any detectable nutritional deficiencies, so it really isn't a matter of health, at least not physical.


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02 May 2012, 11:47 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
snapcap wrote:

Eating around 500 calories a day and 6 hours on the treadmill isn't a healthy lifestyle. It's not a normal routine.

You're confusing "normal" with "average".
There is incredible variation in the physiology of human beings.

Mine is such that I became obese eating next to nothing,
and my weight shoots up the instant I consume much more.

I have no identifiable weight or thyroid-related pathology.
There just exists a spectrum of metabolisms.

I think there's an argument to be made for some people's "set points" being much higher than popularly-considered "healthy",
but in my case, I don't suffer from any detectable nutritional deficiencies, so it really isn't a matter of health, at least not physical.


Actually, eating 500 calories a day and running six hours a day stalls your metabolism. This is why marathon runners have higher bodyfat levels than sprinters, bodybuilders or soccer players.



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02 May 2012, 12:25 pm

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I am studying more about the biblical diet very useful and healthy things about food is in the old testament.

That's funny; I was just thinking the same thing this morning, in relation to hebrew/jewish use of dairy. ie. Why did they separate it up from certain other foods, even to the point of keeping special crockery and cutlery for it ... so that the food opioids, or the milk-sugar, in it didn't contaminate other foods? Though wheat has its own food opioid in the gluten in it, perhaps there *is* something particular about the one in dairy, our original/million-year old "baby-food", which triggers something different in our bodies.

And am struck by how Moses, or someone, wrote so many lists with just slight variations, of rules for diet etc, exactly like I do/have done for years now, trying to work out the best foods to eat, the best combinations to eat them in, the best ways to cook them, and the best times to eat them. :)
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Back then health was a very importan role in jewish life Moses wanted to keep his people as healthy as he could.



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02 May 2012, 1:05 pm

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I am studying more about the biblical diet very useful and healthy things about food is in the old testament.

That's funny; I was just thinking the same thing this morning, in relation to hebrew/jewish use of dairy. ie. Why did they separate it up from certain other foods, even to the point of keeping special crockery and cutlery for it ... so that the food opioids, or the milk-sugar, in it didn't contaminate other foods? Though wheat has its own food opioid in the gluten in it, perhaps there *is* something particular about the one in dairy, our original/million-year old "baby-food", which triggers something different in our bodies.

And am struck by how Moses, or someone, wrote so many lists with just slight variations, of rules for diet etc, exactly like I do/have done for years now, trying to work out the best foods to eat, the best combinations to eat them in, the best ways to cook them, and the best times to eat them. :)
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Back then health was a very importan role in jewish life Moses wanted to keep his people as healthy as he could.


Actually, both mormons, seventh day adventists and jews live much longer than other Americans. :)



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02 May 2012, 1:15 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
snapcap wrote:

Eating around 500 calories a day and 6 hours on the treadmill isn't a healthy lifestyle. It's not a normal routine.

You're confusing "normal" with "average".
There is incredible variation in the physiology of human beings.

Mine is such that I became obese eating next to nothing,
and my weight shoots up the instant I consume much more.

I have no identifiable weight or thyroid-related pathology.
There just exists a spectrum of metabolisms.

I think there's an argument to be made for some people's "set points" being much higher than popularly-considered "healthy",
but in my case, I don't suffer from any detectable nutritional deficiencies, so it really isn't a matter of health, at least not physical.


It's not healthy for a normal individual. Saying that you maintain your weight by living on broth and working out 6 hours a day, (which I know isn't exactly how you live) could give some people the wrong message, which is why I originally said it should be essential to point out that those habits aren't right for most people.

I looked up a calorie burning calculator and seen that you leave yourself with a deficet of around 700 calories a day on a 500 calorie a day diet.

A 500 calorie a day diet is below the minimum amount of energy needed for a normal person's body to successfully maintain itself. And to make it worse, a 6 hour walk?

You have to see what I'm saying here. I'm not saying it doesn't work for you, but it isn't healthy for a normal person. I can't think of one person I know who would benefit from this kind of lifestyle, except for a girl that I used to know that weighed about 85 pounds. She lived on almost nothing, with Little Debbie snacks consisting of half her diet. Not too long ago, she had her gallbladder removed, which could be because of her unhealthy lifestyle. She was only 20 yrs old.


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02 May 2012, 2:03 pm

Way more than 500 calories is used to maintain the body temperature. A 5'6" woman with a slow metabolism who doesn't exercise, needs roughly 1400 calories a day and can get by with 1200 calories for fat loss.

Here are some links:
http://fitbie.msn.com/get-fit/3-workout ... metabolism
http://www.livestrong.com/article/43255 ... etabolism/
http://ezinearticles.com/?Women---Stop- ... id=5208174

This is well intended advice, not criticism. Don't try to look for advice in celebrity workout programs; they're the main source of f--karounditis.



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02 May 2012, 2:15 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Joker wrote:
ouinon wrote:
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I am studying more about the biblical diet very useful and healthy things about food is in the old testament.

That's funny; I was just thinking the same thing this morning, in relation to hebrew/jewish use of dairy. ie. Why did they separate it up from certain other foods, even to the point of keeping special crockery and cutlery for it ... so that the food opioids, or the milk-sugar, in it didn't contaminate other foods? Though wheat has its own food opioid in the gluten in it, perhaps there *is* something particular about the one in dairy, our original/million-year old "baby-food", which triggers something different in our bodies.

And am struck by how Moses, or someone, wrote so many lists with just slight variations, of rules for diet etc, exactly like I do/have done for years now, trying to work out the best foods to eat, the best combinations to eat them in, the best ways to cook them, and the best times to eat them. :)
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Back then health was a very importan role in jewish life Moses wanted to keep his people as healthy as he could.


Actually, both mormons, seventh day adventists and jews live much longer than other Americans. :)


That's because americans have a love of fast food.



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02 May 2012, 2:35 pm

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... In relation to hebrew/jewish use of dairy. ... Why did they separate [ dairy ] up from certain other foods, even to the point of keeping special crockery and cutlery for it ... so that the food opioids, or the milk-sugar, in it didn't contaminate other foods? Though wheat has its own food opioid in the gluten in it, perhaps there *is* something particular about the one in dairy, our original/million-year old "baby-food", which triggers something different in our bodies. ... .
Back then health was very important in jewish life Moses wanted to keep his people as healthy as he could.

One reason that occurs to me may have motivated the "law" about not eating red meat/animal flesh at the same meal/the same time as dairy is that the food opioid in casein ( in dairy ) contains, ( like gluten in wheat, rye etc ), a chemical that triggers increased intestinal permeability during its transit, as well as, in the case of dairy, a chemical that triggers accelerated transit time, both of which effects could potentially be seen as risky/an issue when combined with meat consumption because of increased vulnerability to bacteria in the meat and an insufficient time to thoroughly digest and absorb the fats and proteins in it. Just hypothesising. :)
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02 May 2012, 3:13 pm

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... In relation to hebrew/jewish use of dairy. ... Why did they separate [ dairy ] up from certain other foods, even to the point of keeping special crockery and cutlery for it ... so that the food opioids, or the milk-sugar, in it didn't contaminate other foods? Though wheat has its own food opioid in the gluten in it, perhaps there *is* something particular about the one in dairy, our original/million-year old "baby-food", which triggers something different in our bodies. ... .
Back then health was very important in jewish life Moses wanted to keep his people as healthy as he could.

One reason that occurs to me may have motivated the "law" about not eating red meat/animal flesh at the same meal/the same time as dairy is that the food opioid in casein ( in dairy ) contains, ( like gluten in wheat, rye etc ), a chemical that triggers increased intestinal permeability during its transit, as well as, in the case of dairy, a chemical that triggers accelerated transit time, both of which effects could potentially be seen as risky/an issue when combined with meat consumption because of increased vulnerability to bacteria in the meat and an insufficient time to thoroughly digest and absorb the fats and proteins in it. Just hypothesising. :)
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Yes plus their are a lot of good laws about food and nutrition in the old testemeant.



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02 May 2012, 6:08 pm

I try to eat healthy as much as possible.

I avoid eggs and most dairy products and because I'm back in school,
I don't have much time to exercise.


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02 May 2012, 6:50 pm

Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
snapcap wrote:

Eating around 500 calories a day and 6 hours on the treadmill isn't a healthy lifestyle. It's not a normal routine.

You're confusing "normal" with "average".
There is incredible variation in the physiology of human beings.

Mine is such that I became obese eating next to nothing,
and my weight shoots up the instant I consume much more.

I have no identifiable weight or thyroid-related pathology.
There just exists a spectrum of metabolisms.

I think there's an argument to be made for some people's "set points" being much higher than popularly-considered "healthy",
but in my case, I don't suffer from any detectable nutritional deficiencies, so it really isn't a matter of health, at least not physical.


Actually, eating 500 calories a day and running six hours a day stalls your metabolism. This is why marathon runners have higher bodyfat levels than sprinters, bodybuilders or soccer players.


Except that I was obese my whole life up until now...it preceded my current state, by about 22 years.


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02 May 2012, 7:12 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
snapcap wrote:

Eating around 500 calories a day and 6 hours on the treadmill isn't a healthy lifestyle. It's not a normal routine.

You're confusing "normal" with "average".
There is incredible variation in the physiology of human beings.

Mine is such that I became obese eating next to nothing,
and my weight shoots up the instant I consume much more.

I have no identifiable weight or thyroid-related pathology.
There just exists a spectrum of metabolisms.

I think there's an argument to be made for some people's "set points" being much higher than popularly-considered "healthy",
but in my case, I don't suffer from any detectable nutritional deficiencies, so it really isn't a matter of health, at least not physical.


Actually, eating 500 calories a day and running six hours a day stalls your metabolism. This is why marathon runners have higher bodyfat levels than sprinters, bodybuilders or soccer players.


Except that I was obese my whole life up until now...it preceded my current state, by about 22 years.


Because you burned less calories than you consumed. I was slightly chubby in my childhood and obese in my teens. I ate what my friends and family ate and was just as active.

It's not prevented me from being lean in my 20's because I do not exaggerate my workout routines. If anything, my slow metabolism makes it very easy for me gain muscle today.



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02 May 2012, 7:40 pm

I just ate 4 krispy kreme donuts

MMMM...One M for each donut. Hopefully the rest won't be gone before tomorrow.

Haven't had those in awhile. Lots of energy for a workout.

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02 May 2012, 7:56 pm

I was born and raised in Alabama and I'm half Italian, so either way it's going to be high calorie and high fat and cholestrol. I have no desire whatsoever to change my diet to something healthier, although I do like quite a few healthy foods, I just don't think they should be the main thing in my diet.

Eating healthy is fine sometimes, but it shouldn't be done every day. You need something that sticks to your ribs. ;-)


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02 May 2012, 9:34 pm

Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
snapcap wrote:

Eating around 500 calories a day and 6 hours on the treadmill isn't a healthy lifestyle. It's not a normal routine.

You're confusing "normal" with "average".
There is incredible variation in the physiology of human beings.

Mine is such that I became obese eating next to nothing,
and my weight shoots up the instant I consume much more.

I have no identifiable weight or thyroid-related pathology.
There just exists a spectrum of metabolisms.

I think there's an argument to be made for some people's "set points" being much higher than popularly-considered "healthy",
but in my case, I don't suffer from any detectable nutritional deficiencies, so it really isn't a matter of health, at least not physical.


Actually, eating 500 calories a day and running six hours a day stalls your metabolism. This is why marathon runners have higher bodyfat levels than sprinters, bodybuilders or soccer players.


Except that I was obese my whole life up until now...it preceded my current state, by about 22 years.


Because you burned less calories than you consumed. I was slightly chubby in my childhood and obese in my teens. I ate what my friends and family ate and was just as active.

It's not prevented me from being lean in my 20's because I do not exaggerate my workout routines. If anything, my slow metabolism makes it very easy for me gain muscle today.

Yeah. Tried that bit. It's taken damned near a decade for me to figure out what keeps the weight off. I certainly don't get off on exercising that much. I loathe every second of it.


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