Obese nutritionists

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He uses them interchangably, supposedly because they are in his country? (He's mentioned it before.)
I don't know how that's the case, since they both have specific definitions, denotatively.

I can't believe I just thought about that one.

Again, I don't really mind overweightness, just obesity. My father is overweight and "almost" just fine, he eats healthy and stuff, although he does have a knee problem directly related to his current weight. But things like blood cholesterol and hypertension are directly related to body fat content, and the weight plus body shape of a person are together a very good indicator of that body fat content.

As I mentioned, correlation is not causation. I had no health problems as an obese person,
because I ate healthfully and exercised regularly, for years.
We're talking about several variables, linked, but independent nonetheless.

Would you hire a broke money manager? Perception matters, and we are talking about an obese nutritionist. In what world can a nutritionist say that he or she can help you get within the currently accepted size-weight ratio, if they are unable to do it for themselves? If you have weight issues and need to feel good about your body, then go see a therapist, the nutritionist has to do with what goes into your mouth, not what exists within your brain.





The thing is, only one of the things you mentioned in your description of FatNutritionist are related to the work of a nutritionist. If you want a healthy lifestyle, there are clear links between obesity and health issues, so logic dictates that being obese is not healthy.

Hating the way you look is a great motivation to change it. Acceptance is only a nice way of saying "giving up".

Correlation does not imply causation. Basic statistics, it's almost offensive that you had to pont that one to me

Your case sure seems interesting, but I'm again talking about indicators. Obese people usually don't eat healthily or exercise, so there it is.

Now again, your case IS very interesting. If you ate healthfully and exercised, how did you remain obese? My definition of obesity isn't based on BMI, it is based on being so fat it impairs everyday activities.

If only 300 calories is needed to maintain your body weight, you're either the size of a gibbon or your body temperature is 10 degrees celcius. The very definition of a calorie is the energy amount needed to heat one gram of water by one degree celcius regardless of place, person or surroundings.



The standard deviation in metabolisms. 99% of all people are within 300 calories above or below the mean.



Men have faster metabolisms than women.



A nutritionist is supposed to be healthy. Nobody is more ealthy when obese than when within their ideal range.

The gist of it seems to be in the fact that it is possible to be overweight (maybe even obese too? got to know!) without being unhealthy. And if a nutritionist claims that they will make you healthy, instead of making you thin, then their body weight doesn't matter if they are being healthy themselves. Sadly, at the moment there is a lack of studies about overweight people who are still healthy so... no point arguing when the facts are not clear.

No, because there is nothing like individual physiology at play there.



Nutritionists aren't weight-loss doctors, and people who treat them as such are bound to be disappointed.
If I go to a nutritionist, it's because I want them to help me become healthier, not because I want to take up less space.


Everyone needs to feel good about their body, and the obsession with weight in place of HEALTH is a huge /reason why more people don't seek out nutritionists/personal trainers/etc.




LOGIC tells us correlation is not causation.
Obesity does not equal unhealth, as evidenced by obese people whose actual HEALTH indicators (ya know, resting heart rate, glucose levels, cholesterol, etc) are great.

Cultivating a person's relationships with food into a healthy one is kind of fundamental to the work of a nutritionist.

Except "acceptance" means...NOT hating the way you look. It means becoming at peace with your natural physiology rather than raging against it to the detriment of your physical and mental health because society tells you it's noble.

Popular culture isn't familiar with academia and the intellectual world,
so every study that comes out about overweight and .obesity being related to or linked to XYZ illness (cause weight and XYZ illness can be caused by eating too much of/too little of XYZ and not exercising) becomes, in the common person's mind "someone who weighs such-and-such is DISEASED".

The academic community hasn't done much by way of correcting it

By obese, I mean 40 lbs overweight or more. Fat people tend to store a lot of water, so their metabolisms are actually quite massive.

There is his or her circumstance which is linked with their job. IE, if you manage money you shouldn't be broke, if you teach people how to get healthy, you shouldn't be unhealthy.



Healthy == less obese.
I know you love and adore the "this is not every individual and we are all special little snowflakes" point of view to invalidate any point of a discussion but here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... p00748.pdf




Weight and health tend to be somewhat linked, according to most reputable sources. A healthy lifestyle tends to result in less body fat and more lean mass unless medical conditions are interfering. I tend to think that one should discuss the rules not the exceptions.







First off, the reason logic dictates that being obese is detrimental to health are true medical studies, it's not a matter of correlation is not causation its a matter of "this guy ate 12 lbs of cheese every day, now his heart was stuffed full with Vermont Cheddar, what could possibly have caused this Holmes?"

The medical reports say one thing, you say another. Are there healthy obese people? Yes of course, there are also ideal weight people who die young, after all just because a ton of smokers get lung cancer or other respiratory issues, it doesn't mean that smoking is causative.

That's sort of the job for a cognitive behavioral therapist.



"Natural physiology" you don't have a natural physiology, if someone had been raised among Masai tribesmen, odds are they wouldn't be obese. If someone had been raised in Japan, odds are they would eat more fish, which leads to better health. If it's to the detriment of your mental health to be told the truth, that you are not conforming to society, then welcome to the non-conformist club.

Come to think of it, the masai people eat between 3,000 and 4,000 calories a day. I've never seen a fat person in any of their tribes.

They eat a diet with almost no carbohydrates, which also results in very little dental caries. I'm not sure exactly why, but I find it near impossible to overeat on a diet with no carbs, I also noticed that I get less cravings and shed fat. Combine that with an active lifestyle and you have a recipe for not being overweight.

Hrm. I don't agree with the former, per se, so...good example.
We're not talking about teaching people to get healthy while being unhealthy, though-
we're talking about teaching people to get healthy while being overweight.


Of course it doesn't.



You're getting unneccessarily hostile over this, dontcha think?


Oh wow, obese children suffer psychologically in a fat phobic culture?
Overweight and obesity are associated with a great number of dietary-related illnesses?
Is this supposed to be representative of your point, or mine? I can't tell..
I've referenced the confusion on the part of the public with correlative vs causative relationships with obesity several times now, so I'll assume it's the latter. Thank you- this proves my point




Who claimed otherwise?
On a societal level, yes, because the individuals with poor lifestyles are more likely to have higher weights and vice versa.
That says nothing of some sort of inherent health risk to being overweight.


Right, so someone who's overweight or obese while living a healthy lifestyle logically would be MORE overweight if they did not do so. Agreed about discussing the rules and not the exceptions: the only "rule" is that we are what we eat, regardless of how much space we take up.






Oh? There are studies showing health consequences of obesity INDEPENDENT OF the lifesyle factors which are sometimes the cause of it? Care to link?

Smoking is inherently an unhealthy act.
It's analogous to eating processed, unhealthy foods,
not to obesity which can be caused by doing this, or simply a variation among healthy populations.



Of course people have a natural physiology- such is why there are variations in body size and muscle mass among different ethnic groups. The same is true on a smaller scale. There are variations in metabolism caused by environmental factors such as socioeconomic class status and race, whether one lives in an industrialized area, and also genetic ones. You need to do a bit more research.

I've also been re-examining the calorie is a calorie myth.
I think it has more to do, as you imply, with carbohydrate intake, as related to insulin levels and spikes in glucose.

This is true. You use more energy breaking down proteins than you do breaking down carbs. Furthermore, proteins are used to repair muscle damage before they're stored as fat. Carbs are not.