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16 May 2015, 3:46 pm

This article here talks about how Americans demand antibiotics, so doctors oblige:

http://www.healthline.com/health/antibi ... e-epidemic

It doesn't make since to me, however, since I have never demanded or even requested to be prescribed an antibiotic: The doctor always initiates the prescription.

In December 2013, I had bronchitis and visited the doctor after the coughing became so disruptive it was waking me up at night. My doctor initiated treatment with antibiotics (again, without any request or demand whatever beforehand from me) and symptom treatment. I went with the first round. She then wanted to give me more rounds, but I questioned the their utility and refused.

Just this month, I went to the doctor thinking I had too much earwax, expecting the doctor to remove it, but then she said I have otitis media and she put me on antibiotics (without any request from me) and symptom treatment.


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16 May 2015, 3:54 pm

This study is interesting, as it shows that if physicians perceive an expectation by the patient of receiving antibiotics, then they are much more likely to prescribe them. The physicians, however, often seem to be wrong about what their patients expect:

http://www.healthline.com/health/antibi ... e-epidemic


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16 May 2015, 4:48 pm

Antibiotics work, whether you believe in their efficacy or not.

You have the right to refuse treatment with antibiotics. You also have the right to refuse vaccinations, chemotherapy, and surgery for yourself.

You don't even have to go to the doctor if you don't want to - so why are you wasting your doctor's valuable time when you're just going to argue against his prescribed treatments?

Why not just avoid the doctor altogether, stay home, and let nature take its course?

Who knows? You may be the next recipient of the Darwin Award for lack of proper medical treatment!



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16 May 2015, 7:40 pm

When I refused the antibiotics, I went for a second opinion. I didn't just stop going to the doctor. These were posts I made here regarding the second round of antibiotics and the second opinion I obtained:

23 Dec 2013, 4:28 pm

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I spoke with the doctor's office again; turns out she intended to prescribe me antibiotics again: a second round of the same antibiotic I had just finished last week. They denied ever mentioning anything about a decongestant. :? I'm just going to go see that allergist, I told them.


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26 Dec 2013, 9:17 am (emphasis added)

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I went to the allergist today and they were at first surprised that I was on the Dulera for postinfectious cough. I had my finger pricked to check for white blood cell counts and allergies and a pulmonary function test; both came back negative, and in fact on the pulmonary my lung function was much better than predicted. The allergist says it's unlikely I have asthma and he agreed with the diagnosis of postinfectious cough, but he disagreed with prescribing more antibiotics. Instead, he said that the Dulera can be beneficial for postinfectious cough, and he gave me the 200 mcg/5 mcg version, told me to take 2 puffs twice a day for 2 weeks. We set an appointment for 2 weeks in the future, but he says if I feel better then cancel it. He told me to go off the Tussionex and that of course if I finish the Dulera and subsequently the cough returns, to come back then.

It looks like we're getting this resolved. :D


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16 May 2015, 7:52 pm

I'd also like to remind everyone that the topic of this thread is on the misuse and overuse of antibiotics in the USA, which actions are documented to lead to antibiotic resistance in bacteria, and NOT on the safety and efficacy of antibiotics.


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16 May 2015, 8:03 pm

the first place i practiced medicine was an urgent care. i was required to prescribe antibiotics for colds, for which these drugs are totally useless. so i totally agree with you, beneficii.



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16 May 2015, 8:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
Antibiotics work, whether you believe in their efficacy or not.

You have the right to refuse treatment with antibiotics. You also have the right to refuse vaccinations, chemotherapy, and surgery for yourself.

You don't even have to go to the doctor if you don't want to - so why are you wasting your doctor's valuable time when you're just going to argue against his prescribed treatments?

Why not just avoid the doctor altogether, stay home, and let nature take its course?

Who knows? You may be the next recipient of the Darwin Award for lack of proper medical treatment!


I think you're missing the point. The OP wasn't talking about antibiotics for bacterial infections where antibiotics are warranted. He/she was talking about doctors prescribing them for everything, including viruses, which antibiotics are completely ineffective against.
Overprescribing of antibiotics is part of the problem when it comes to antibiotic resistance. The other part is people not finishing their prescription, and some of the bacteria are still alive. They then become resistant to the antibiotic, and if another person is infected, then the previously used and effective antibiotic is no longer effective, and they have to go with a stronger one. If that person doesn't finish their prescription, then the bacteria then become resistant to the stronger antibiotic. Lather, rinse, repeat until there are bacteria that are resistant to all known antibiotics. It's becoming a huge problem.


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16 May 2015, 8:14 pm

cathylynn wrote:
the first place i practiced medicine was an urgent care. i was required to prescribe antibiotics for colds, for which these drugs are totally useless. so i totally agree with you, beneficii.


Agreed. Part of the reason that doctors prescribe antibiotics so often is for children. The parents want the doctor to do something, so the doctor prescribes antibiotics, even though they know they won't help, but they want to make the parents feel like they're not ignoring the problem.


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17 May 2015, 9:28 am

beneficii wrote:
This study is interesting, as it shows that if physicians perceive an expectation by the patient of receiving antibiotics, then they are much more likely to prescribe them. The physicians, however, often seem to be wrong about what their patients expect:

http://www.healthline.com/health/antibi ... e-epidemic


Sorry. I posted the wrong link here. I meant to post this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17467120


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