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26 Oct 2017, 11:44 am

One of my coworkers is recommending I go on a keto diet. Does anybody know anything about those? Worthwhile? Waste of time? If so then what kinds of foods should I eat while on it?



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26 Oct 2017, 12:47 pm

Unless you're diabetic, or just enjoy eating that way, it's a complete waste of time.

The ketogenic diet is a high fat, moderate protein, low carbohydrate diet. Once the body stops recieving glucose, and has burned of remaining glucose stored in muscle cells, it will enter a state called 'ketosis', where the body will utilize fatty acids as it's primary fuel source, instead of glucose.

The ketogenic diet has no fat loss benefits if that's your question.



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26 Oct 2017, 1:06 pm

You'll want to work carbs back in eventually and therein lies the problem. Keto and similar super low carb diets can give you an irrational fear of carbs. Plus your body will likely retain water like crazy when you do eat something carby (1g water per 1g carb, though this might be bro science). Temporary, sure, but it can still do a lot of (psychological) damage.

Better to enjoy in moderation than to erase from your diet completely/pretty much.
I've never set out to do Keto but I ended up manipulating my diet to a point of eating circa 20g carbs a day (plus 17g fat, and around 50g protein). I'm now at around 50g/day (should probably be more, I'll get there), and I feel better physically and psychologically, as I have a bit more freedom in what I'm 'allowed' to eat.



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26 Oct 2017, 1:14 pm

racheypie666 wrote:
You'll want to work carbs back in eventually and therein lies the problem. Keto and similar super low carb diets can give you an irrational fear of carbs. Plus your body will likely retain water like crazy when you do eat something carby (1g water per 1g carb, though this might be bro science). Temporary, sure, but it can still do a lot of (psychological) damage.

Better to enjoy in moderation than to erase from your diet completely/pretty much.
I've never set out to do Keto but I ended up manipulating my diet to a point of eating circa 20g carbs a day (plus 17g fat, and around 50g protein). I'm now at around 50g/day (should probably be more, I'll get there), and I feel better physically and psychologically, as I have a bit more freedom in what I'm 'allowed' to eat.


That's under 500 calories a day!

That's incredibly low and very unhealthy, even if you're obese and in a fat loss phase. No woman should ever go below 1200 calories a day.

I do agree with the your first point though, people trick themselves into thinking that carbs make them fat because of the water retention. It is physically impossible for the body to store fat if it doesn't have suffecient calories to do so.



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26 Oct 2017, 1:25 pm

Closet Genious wrote:
racheypie666 wrote:
You'll want to work carbs back in eventually and therein lies the problem. Keto and similar super low carb diets can give you an irrational fear of carbs. Plus your body will likely retain water like crazy when you do eat something carby (1g water per 1g carb, though this might be bro science). Temporary, sure, but it can still do a lot of (psychological) damage.

Better to enjoy in moderation than to erase from your diet completely/pretty much.
I've never set out to do Keto but I ended up manipulating my diet to a point of eating circa 20g carbs a day (plus 17g fat, and around 50g protein). I'm now at around 50g/day (should probably be more, I'll get there), and I feel better physically and psychologically, as I have a bit more freedom in what I'm 'allowed' to eat.


That's under 500 calories a day!

That's incredibly low and very unhealthy, even if you're obese and in a fat loss phase. No woman should ever go below 1200 calories a day.

I do agree with the your first point though, people trick themselves into thinking that carbs make them fat because of the water retention. It is physically impossible for the body to store fat if it doesn't have suffecient calories to do so.


I know, I'm working on it.
Do as I say, not as I do lol. OP would be better off with a nice, balanced diet. Start lifting if you don't already, and maybe up your protein. Works wonders.



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26 Oct 2017, 1:47 pm

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Closet Genious wrote:
racheypie666 wrote:
You'll want to work carbs back in eventually and therein lies the problem. Keto and similar super low carb diets can give you an irrational fear of carbs. Plus your body will likely retain water like crazy when you do eat something carby (1g water per 1g carb, though this might be bro science). Temporary, sure, but it can still do a lot of (psychological) damage.

Better to enjoy in moderation than to erase from your diet completely/pretty much.
I've never set out to do Keto but I ended up manipulating my diet to a point of eating circa 20g carbs a day (plus 17g fat, and around 50g protein). I'm now at around 50g/day (should probably be more, I'll get there), and I feel better physically and psychologically, as I have a bit more freedom in what I'm 'allowed' to eat.


That's under 500 calories a day!

That's incredibly low and very unhealthy, even if you're obese and in a fat loss phase. No woman should ever go below 1200 calories a day.

I do agree with the your first point though, people trick themselves into thinking that carbs make them fat because of the water retention. It is physically impossible for the body to store fat if it doesn't have suffecient calories to do so.


I know, I'm working on it.
Do as I say, not as I do lol. OP would be better off with a nice, balanced diet. Start lifting if you don't already, and maybe up your protein. Works wonders.


Good! I don't know whether you need to lose weight or what your specific context is, but please start by atleast upping your intake to 1200 asap. Your body will thank you for it, and unless you're in the 1% with thyroid issues, it's impossible for you to gain weight. Ideally you should end up eating 1700-2000 calories a day to maintain your weight.

I definitely agree with balanced diet and lifting. I always advocate to focus on a foundation of protein, fiber and vitamins, and then you'll have some room to eat the foods you enjoy.



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26 Oct 2017, 2:36 pm

^ My context is anorexia; autism doesn't help. I'm not doing too bad though. Would definitely advocate looking for sustainable diet changes as opposed to drastic, unsustainable ones. Not that keto is necessarily unsustainable, but you don't want to back yourself into a corner diet-wise, or give yourself a bad relationship with certain food groups. These sorts of things can be hard to undo, especially if you're the sort of person who likes setting rules and sticking to them.



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26 Oct 2017, 3:04 pm

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^ My context is anorexia; autism doesn't help. I'm not doing too bad though. Would definitely advocate looking for sustainable diet changes as opposed to drastic, unsustainable ones. Not that keto is necessarily unsustainable, but you don't want to back yourself into a corner diet-wise, or give yourself a bad relationship with certain food groups. These sorts of things can be hard to undo, especially if you're the sort of person who likes setting rules and sticking to them.


I see. Luckily you're prioritizing protein, which is important when you're intake is so low.

I don't really know much about anorexia, so I don't know how to help. I can tell you that I like staying very lean too, but I know for certain that you can do it in a way that is much healthier for you both mentally and physically. Maybe the best approach would be to add in calories little by little, and see how your body resonds? Once you see that you won't gain fat by eating more, maybe you will get more comfortable with it.

Oddly enough(or maybe not odd), for an anorexic person, you seem to have a good grasp of the psycological aspects of dieting. For an unrational person, you're quite rational :). I don't think keto is necessarily bad, but let's be honest, over the course of a life time it will get pretty hard to sustain. And the thing I don't like about it is that you set up a bunch of rules for yourself that are largely irrelevent, which leads to feeling bad everytime you break them. I was actually a bit stuck in keto myself for a while, until I found proper counter evidence, and talked to fitness models who were leaner than me, who ate a truckload of carbs everyday lol.

That's about 1 year ago, and I've made more progress in the gym with carbs, and I actually find it easier to lean down also.