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Murdered my sweet David?!?
I suspect this was all caused by the rehab hospital themselves but how do we force them to admit the truth?
I think his sister needs to take them to court and sue not just because of David but also for the rest of the patients who have perished under their care! !!
There is currently an investigation in progress where they are researching David's medical history and records in order to determine what REALLY happened but if I am correct in my assertion that the rehab facility is the true culprit...
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Gather enough evidence, hire a good lawyer, force them to admit so in court.
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Gather enough evidence, hire a good lawyer, force them to admit so in court.
But I need to stay out of this and let his family handle it!! !
I may have been his girlfriend/fiance but this really has nothing to do with me
You're right though @funeralxempire!
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HOWEVER, I just realized something...
If his sister was the one who decided to send David to this dreadful hospital in the first place then that would mean she indirectly played a role in his murder! !!
She should have done thorough research on the rehab center before sending her brother there to be imprisoned & ultimately murdered!
EDIT: His sister just told me that it doesn't work that way and it's more similar to how a TV show pilot gets shopped around to various networks until one network decides to take a chance on the project!! !
At least that is how I understand it but more importantly this proves that David's sister was not involved in this at ALL and her responsibility/role in this entire mess is absolved!
So...what actually killed my fiance David?!?
That is the million-dollar question and problem numero-uno right now as the character Toko Fukawa (as her alter-ego Genocide Jack) said in the video game "Danganronpa"...
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It seems like, even if the rehab hospital did legitimately engage in negligence that caused David's death, you're not in a position to get them to admit to that and they have no reason to admit to any wrongdoing without being forced to.
I would wait until the review of David's medical history is completed, but I wouldn't anticipate anything coming out that implies negligence on the part of the rehab hospital. If there's no evidence of the hospital doing something wrong, the hospital has no reason to even consider admitting wrong-doing.
So, to put your question back to you, why do you believe that any evidence of wrongdoing on the hospital's part exists?
Not all deaths while under medical care are the fault of the medical service providers. It's tragic when people we love die, but that doesn't always mean that there's a specific entity who can be held accountable for that person's passing.
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I would wait until the review of David's medical history is completed, but I wouldn't anticipate anything coming out that implies negligence on the part of the rehab hospital. If there's no evidence of the hospital doing something wrong, the hospital has no reason to even consider admitting wrong-doing.
So, to put your question back to you, why do you believe that any evidence of wrongdoing on the hospital's part exists?
Not all deaths while under medical care are the fault of the medical service providers. It's tragic when people we love die, but that doesn't always mean that there's a specific entity who can be held accountable for that person's passing.
The reason I suspect the hospital caused David to perish is based on the MANY negative and scathing reviews I have found on Yelp and other business review websites
Also consider this:
Prior to his heart stopping (Cardiac Arrest) David felt fine
Doesn't that seem strange to you?
This suggests that something changed between the period of time when he felt fine up until the moment Cardiac Arrest took place!! !
The only possible explanation for all of this is that the rehab hospital either drugged or poisoned him!
We just need to prove it
Evidence is needed so you are 100% correct about that...but perhaps that will be revealed in the results of his investigation...
EDIT: Unfortunately, the only physical evidence (David himself) got destroyed and without an autopsy it's going to be very difficult & challenging to prove the hospital did this to him!! !
And that brings me to why David did not receive an autopsy...
If I am correct in my assertion, the reason he didn't get an autopsy is because doing so would most likely reveal traces of poison or remnants of fatal drug overdose in his system!
In other words, the true cause of death
Then the reasonable conclusion would be that Kindred Hospital murdered David! !! !! !
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I'm not saying there couldn't possibly have been negligence or mistakes or intentional wrongdoing on the part of the hospital. I'm saying the process of proving so will be almost impossible for his family, let alone for you.
You might believe it to be the case, but believe in one hand and s**t in another and see which gets full first. A belief without evidence isn't enough to do anything with, not even to confirm itself. Faith alone is a very weak starting point when trying to support that belief.
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You might believe it to be the case, but believe in one hand and s**t in another and see which gets full first. A belief without evidence isn't enough to do anything with, not even to confirm itself. Faith alone is a very weak starting point when trying to support that belief.
Oh there absolutely was...but proving it is going to be VERY hard & challenging without concrete evidence to back it up!! !
I think the starting point should NOT be with David but rather a full-scale investigation into the rehab facility's shoddy business practices!
And a complete track record of all the patients who have perished under their care vs. got successfully discharged is 100% needed as well
From there, they might be forced into admitting the truth
Maybe?
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You might believe it to be the case, but believe in one hand and s**t in another and see which gets full first. A belief without evidence isn't enough to do anything with, not even to confirm itself. Faith alone is a very weak starting point when trying to support that belief.
Oh there absolutely was...but proving it is going to be VERY hard & challenging without concrete evidence to back it up!! !
I think the starting point should NOT be with David but rather a full-scale investigation into the rehab facility's shoddy business practices!
And a complete track record of all the patients who have perished under their care vs. got successfully discharged is 100% needed as well
From there, they might be forced into admitting the truth
Maybe?
I think so, but I think you have a lot of claims to prove and not much ability to acquire evidence, supposing the evidence even supports the claims.
A full and thorough investigation might not lead to the conclusions you'd like it to.
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You might believe it to be the case, but believe in one hand and s**t in another and see which gets full first. A belief without evidence isn't enough to do anything with, not even to confirm itself. Faith alone is a very weak starting point when trying to support that belief.
Oh there absolutely was...but proving it is going to be VERY hard & challenging without concrete evidence to back it up!! !
I think the starting point should NOT be with David but rather a full-scale investigation into the rehab facility's shoddy business practices!
And a complete track record of all the patients who have perished under their care vs. got successfully discharged is 100% needed as well
From there, they might be forced into admitting the truth
Maybe?
I think so, but I think you have a lot of claims to prove and not much ability to acquire evidence, supposing the evidence even supports the claims.
A full and thorough investigation might not lead to the conclusions you'd like it to.
His sister has to be the one to do all of this, but it's not enough to just investigate David's medical records & history!! !
In order to have an actual case against the hospital, they would have to investigate the medical records of EVERY SINGLE PATIENT who was imprisoned...er I mean resided there
And then compare the findings to determine which ones died vs. which ones successfully recovered & went home
Yes it's slow and time-consuming but it is 100% necessary
The results would most likely prove that Kindred Hospital has been deliberately killing their patients so they can generate a steady profit stream!
But with David, who's to say they even still have his medical records on file?
If it reveals that they were the culprit, wouldn't it be logical and make the most sense to completely get rid of the evidence?
They probably erased all of David's records!! !! !!
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If they've erased his files that might break laws regarding preservation of records.
Active efforts to cover up wrongdoing can often attract more attention/scrutiny than the initial wrongdoing itself.
That said, I doubt Kindred Hospital is intentionally killing patients regularly. Patients who require ongoing care are an ongoing source of revenue. Killing them means needing to replace them, or making less money.
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Active efforts to cover up wrongdoing can often attract more attention/scrutiny than the initial wrongdoing itself.
That said, I doubt Kindred Hospital is intentionally killing patients regularly. Patients who require ongoing care are an ongoing source of revenue. Killing them means needing to replace them, or making less money.
While that is true...why would they keep around records for a deceased patient?
There would be no real benefit in retaining his medical history!
So based on that, I am sure they deleted ALL of David's records!! !
Possibly as a cover-up for their crimes of wrong-doing?!?
Also, I think we should be looking at this from the hospital's perspective @funeralxempire
What you said about patients needing constant ongoing care providing a steady source of revenue is correct so...
Perhaps it's time to consider a completely different motive for David's murder then?
Is it possible that Kindred Hospital simply did not like him due to his disabilities?
Could the actual motive and the driving force for killing David be discrimination...
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Record retention laws often exist because the paperwork can provide insight when trying to examine how a situation went wrong. A patient dying under their care in an unexplained manner would count, no?
If any sort of investigation were to be ordered, they'd want to look at those records.
Why would a place that makes money from people with disabilities discriminate (broadly) against people with disabilities? I think you're looking for a simple black and white motive for intentional and malicious behaviour on the hospital's part. Even if you add up all of the potential malicious motives that might exist, they don't make up the bulk of potential causes.
It's more likely to be negligent rather than malicious. That's assuming the hospital is at fault, which isn't guaranteed.
There's a number of potential causes of cardiac arrest that probably wouldn't be the fault of the hospital. You've mentioned his health issues before, complications from those would need to be considered.
People often feel fine prior to a medical emergency occurring, since until it starts they weren't dealing with it. There's often very little warning prior to a heart issue occurring, and it's largely a matter of how quick the onset is.
The way you talk about this is from very close to a conclusion that you might believe but doesn't appear to have been substantiated. I hope you're able to get more information about what actually occurred and find closure from it, but it's probably worth finding out what happened before you focus on how to deal with one fairly narrow set of potential circumstances.
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If any sort of investigation were to be ordered, they'd want to look at those records.
Why would a place that makes money from people with disabilities discriminate (broadly) against people with disabilities? I think you're looking for a simple black and white motive for intentional and malicious behaviour on the hospital's part. Even if you add up all of the potential malicious motives that might exist, they don't make up the bulk of potential causes.
It's more likely to be negligent rather than malicious. That's assuming the hospital is at fault, which isn't guaranteed.
There's a number of potential causes of cardiac arrest that probably wouldn't be the fault of the hospital. You've mentioned his health issues before, complications from those would need to be considered.
People often feel fine prior to a medical emergency occurring, since until it starts they weren't dealing with it. There's often very little warning prior to a heart issue occurring, and it's largely a matter of how quick the onset is.
The way you talk about this is from very close to a conclusion that you might believe but doesn't appear to have been substantiated. I hope you're able to get more information about what actually occurred and find closure from it, but it's probably worth finding out what happened before you focus on how to deal with one fairly narrow set of potential circumstances.
What you are saying does make a lot of sense logically @funeralxempire but consider that the outcome would have most likely been VERY different for David if there was a nurse or doctor on-call during the night when he was alone in his room! !!
So in this scenario that would mean...negligence IS the cause!
According to his sister, we can immediately & automatically rule out suicide and Pneumonia as possible causes because she said there wasn't a way for him to commit suicide and the Pneumonia was 100% gone by the time his heart attack/Cardiac Arrest event started happening
Also we need to rule out sepsis/septic shock and ALS! !!
The only disorder David truly had was Muscular Dystrophy which isn't fatal...
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Did he have high blood pressure and live a sedentary lifestyle?
Was he on medications with potential impacts on cardiac health?
Was his level of cardiac health even understood?
An idiopathic cause for his cardiac arrest can't be ruled out either, especially without an autopsy.
Not having someone on call might not be enough to be considered negligent. If they're not required to have one on call, then it wouldn't be, but perhaps that can be changed going forward.
I agree, without an autopsy it might be impossible to determine what happened. From a holding them accountable perspective, that's where innocent until proven guilty comes into play.
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Was he on medications with potential impacts on cardiac health?
Was his level of cardiac health even understood?
An idiopathic cause for his cardiac arrest can't be ruled out either, especially without an autopsy.
Not having someone on call might not be enough to be considered negligent. If they're not required to have one on call, then it wouldn't be, but perhaps that can be changed going forward.
I agree, without an autopsy it might be impossible to determine what happened. From a holding them accountable perspective, that's where innocent until proven guilty comes into play.
His sister just shot down all of those theories!! !
It couldn't have been high blood pressure or medications interfering with his heart!
She is just as confused as I am about why and how this happened
I think the REAL question we must be asking is:
Why did David not receive an autopsy in the first place?
The answer and the key to this entire mystery is hidden somewhere in there...
