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04 Jan 2009, 11:33 pm

Does anyone here do karate? I do tae kwon do and I am a white belt.


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04 Jan 2009, 11:44 pm

I did when I was 9-10 years old. I made it to orange belt.



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05 Jan 2009, 2:41 am

I've always wanted to learn a martial art, but my parents would never let me when I was a kid, and now I don't feel like paying for it myself. I've taught myself a mix of several, but I am certainly not very good unarmed. My main focus has been western sword-and-shield techniques (as well as some other weapons, whatever is doable in Dagorhir), but I've mixed in some escrima, kendo, and kung fu, as well as some more diverse techniques. The rigidity of karate and tae kwon do never really seemed that appealing to me. When you study that far afield, you start to realize it's really all the same, though. What works in China works in medieval Europe.

Actually, one of my favorite ways to fight is with only daggers or knives. And the European longsword, which is often used more like a short spear.


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05 Jan 2009, 8:02 am

^You might beaten in Kendo since the strict rules of a how match works plus having the scream, stomp and strike happening all at once is there as well. I know this information since I do Kumdo (the Korean aggressive version) and I'm a purple belt with having two tournament under my experience. Funny fact, everyone including Japan do go to South Korea to learn Kumdo to become more aggressive in their matches hence the World Kendo Championship.


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05 Jan 2009, 8:14 pm

JerryHatake wrote:
^You might beaten in Kendo since the strict rules of a how match works plus having the scream, stomp and strike happening all at once is there as well. I know this information since I do Kumdo (the Korean aggressive version) and I'm a purple belt with having two tournament under my experience. Funny fact, everyone including Japan do go to South Korea to learn Kumdo to become more aggressive in their matches hence the World Kendo Championship.


Yeah, the hardest technique in kendo is learning to scream convincingly, which is why I will never bother learning it formally. I don't know how matches work or how strict the rules are on screaming, but in simple sword & shield vs. kendo techniques, I have no doubt I would win against even the best kendoka, as long as I don't have to scream.


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05 Jan 2009, 10:40 pm

WurdBendur wrote:
JerryHatake wrote:
^You might beaten in Kendo since the strict rules of a how match works plus having the scream, stomp and strike happening all at once is there as well. I know this information since I do Kumdo (the Korean aggressive version) and I'm a purple belt with having two tournament under my experience. Funny fact, everyone including Japan do go to South Korea to learn Kumdo to become more aggressive in their matches hence the World Kendo Championship.


Yeah, the hardest technique in kendo is learning to scream convincingly, which is why I will never bother learning it formally. I don't know how matches work or how strict the rules are on screaming, but in simple sword & shield vs. kendo techniques, I have no doubt I would win against even the best kendoka, as long as I don't have to scream.


Unfortunately, they will enforced that rules plus the other rules. They also penalties as well. In my opinion, you would lose to a Second Dan and higher maybe even a First Dan because they are more aggressive plus faster when you spare them. Also if you spare them, their rules come into play.

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The four main target areas, each worth one point, are struck with its to the head (Muri), the torso (waist, Heori), the wrist (Sonmok), or a thrust to the throat (Chirum). The competitors call their attempted strikes in a strong voice (Kihap), and blows must be delivered with the upper third of the bamboo sword (Jukdo). Although it may appear that many hits are finding their targets in the course of the match, a successful stroke must be coordinated with correct footwork, powerful Kihap, good posture and strong follow through.

The three referees indicate points by snapping blue and white flags overhead; at least two must agree for the point to be awarded. A fast crisscross of the flags at hip level means the official did not consider a cut valid. The match is halted after each successful point and resumed at center court. Two good points delivered simultaneously cancel one another, however, the match is not stopped. Penalties are given for stepping out of bounds, dropping one's Jukdo, and poor sportsmanship. If a contestant accumulates two such penalties in the course of a match, one point is awarded to the opponent. Individual matches are fought for two out of three points over a time period of 3 minutes. A scoreless or tied match may be extended until a deciding point is scored.


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09 Jan 2009, 2:31 am

Well, let's assume I'm not going to a kendo tournament or anything. If my style is not kendo, why should I be bound by its rules just because I'm sparring someone who is using kendo? I guess using any other technique would lose points as poor swordsmanship, anyway.

I'm talking about a mixed fight in which each fighter is held to the standards of his particular discipline. When you do that, kendo tends to lose. I'm not sure if it's because of kendo's techniques or because of its strict rules. But given a fair competition, I don't see the excessively formalized kendo techniques as adequate against actual combat techniques. It's like putting a modern foil fencer against a knight.


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09 Jan 2009, 8:09 am

WurdBendur wrote:
Well, let's assume I'm not going to a kendo tournament or anything. If my style is not kendo, why should I be bound by its rules just because I'm sparring someone who is using kendo? I guess using any other technique would lose points as poor swordsmanship, anyway.

I'm talking about a mixed fight in which each fighter is held to the standards of his particular discipline. When you do that, kendo tends to lose. I'm not sure if it's because of kendo's techniques or because of its strict rules. But given a fair competition, I don't see the excessively formalized kendo techniques as adequate against actual combat techniques. It's like putting a modern foil fencer against a knight.


Hm you may have a point there. Understandable a fencer can beat a kendoist because of the different styles. If you look at though, Kendo pretty much targets the areas vital to fight, wrist, waist, head and throat. In actual sword combat, a blow to those areas equals death apparently and the ability to fight back as well.


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10 Jan 2009, 1:09 pm

RandomKid wrote:
Does anyone here do karate? I do tae kwon do and I am a white belt.


I'm a first degree black belt in Taekwon-Do.

Good luck with your training! Do you know what style it is?



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11 Jan 2009, 4:09 am

I used to do karate in my 20's and got to shodan.