Schizoid Personality... possible comorbidity?
I am officially (in the United Kingdom) diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome and schizotypal personality 'disorder'.
During periods of particular stress I occasionally become psychotic (most recently I thought people were threatening to kill me) but I never hear voices.
I'm not bothered by my isolation at all, but I feel like I should be. The only time my lack of social skill annoys me is if there's someone I have a crush on. Then I'll wish I knew more. Then I might wish that we were together. But other than that, I enjoy being a hermit and can do well without people.
It just strikes me as so odd the way people insist on connecting with other people. I don't see a point to any of it. I don't really see people as people. I see them more as "tools". I'm not a manipulator, it's just that I don't really interact with them unless they have something to offer me, so in that sense, I can see a schizoid diagnosis.
However, in the sense that I don't know how, innately, to interact with them when I need to, I can see an ASD diagnosis.
And then there's also my recent diagnosis of depersonalization disorder. Originally, it was Personality Disorder NOS. Then it was Aspergers. Now it's Aspergers and we're exploring depersonalization.
I really think neuropsychology is a bit of a crapshoot anyway. Can't I just say this is *ME*?
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How well do you manage change? Changes in daily schedule, or moves, or changes in relationships or work?
This might push you more towards Schizoid than ASD.
-just a thought!!
It just strikes me as so odd the way people insist on connecting with other people. I don't see a point to any of it. I don't really see people as people. I see them more as "tools". I'm not a manipulator, it's just that I don't really interact with them unless they have something to offer me, so in that sense, I can see a schizoid diagnosis.
However, in the sense that I don't know how, innately, to interact with them when I need to, I can see an ASD diagnosis.
And then there's also my recent diagnosis of depersonalization disorder. Originally, it was Personality Disorder NOS. Then it was Aspergers. Now it's Aspergers and we're exploring depersonalization.
I really think neuropsychology is a bit of a crapshoot anyway. Can't I just say this is *ME*?
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I personally would really like to see the psych field do a better job of distinguishing....AS is neurological and most believe it is congenital, personality disorders are generally believed to be caused by trauma of some type and most believe they can be treated and improved with various therapies.
Personality is heritable, though. Not 100%; the answer to the nature/nurture question seems to be "both". But you can inherit the kind of personality that will predispose you to have a personality disorder, just like you can inherit genes that make you very likely to get depression.
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This might push you more towards Schizoid than ASD.
-just a thought!!

I manage change well. I like spontaneity. I see a lot of things that are supposed to be stereotypically AS and just say "what?"
Like, we're supposed to look so young (I'm in my mid twenties and have always looked a good 5-10 years older) and how we supposedly can't lie and how we have difficulties with subtleties in language. I'm reading "Pretending to be Normal" and can't relate to a lot of Liane Holliday Wiley's experiences.
BUT, I do have extreme sensory defensiveness. I can't look people in the eye at all and that I go so much more with logic and rationality than pure emotion, that seems pretty indicative of AS.
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There is a lot of overlap between AS & Schizoid Personality Disorder. I think SPD could be a learned/adaptive thing because of AS. My mom suspected me of being ausistic as a toddler but my quack general practitioner didn't consider it. I was diagnosed as dyslexic & ADHD when I was in kindergarten & I had lots lots of problems in school, with my peers, with family & life. I was tested for AS rite before I turned 21 & I was officially diagnosed with Schizoid Personality Disorder instead along with lots of other diagnoses. I'm pretty sure I have AS but the docs/quacks contributed my AS symptoms to other disorders instead.
I have lots of problems learning things & can get things confused very easily~ My dyslexia & ADHD got blamed for that.
I'm very picky about routine, schedules & order~ I got diagnosed with OCD & Obsessive Compulsive personality disorder.
I have meltdowns sometimes~ I got Borderline personality disorder.
I have thoughts that don't make sense sometimes & sometimes have problems explaining things & having others understand me & get confused. I was told I had the features of Schizotypal personality disorder.
I hate being touched & jump at sudden noises. I was diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress from bulling as a kid.
Anyways here's a copy of post I recently made on a Shzoid Forums about the relationship between AS & SPD. I think Aspergrs is a developmental disorder & things like developmental disorders can be diagnosed when people are very young; in fact it's better if they are diagnosed at a young because the kids tend to have lots of problems with school, their parents, their peers ect. As the kids get older their AS issues/symptoms change & their personalities change some as well. Personality disorders are things that develop as a kid grows older & becomes an adult. Personality could be in response to things in the persons life. When the person is older & goes to a psych as an adult. The person probably won't show the same AS symptoms/issues that they had as a kid. The psych may see the person's personality instead of AS & AS can not coexist with SPD
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But one can easily be extremely introvert by nature and never had any desire whatsoever to socialise/play with other kids (depending on age) etc. and still have all the low EQ and low social skills that is part of ASDs.
The first part of Gillberg's criteria allows for both:
(a) inability to interact with peers
(b) lack of desire to interact with peers
(c) lack of appreciation of social cues
(d) socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior
I couldn't if I wanted to but for me no desire is the prime reason why I don't, therefore 1 a and c while true don't feel like a problem. Much the same as I can't do higher maths but the desire isn't there, so my dyscalculia tendency only feels like a problem in maths class.
Much the same could be said about AS.
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The reality about ASP and schizoid is that neither of them truly exist. No, don't worry, I am not implying that your symptoms and experiences are fake. The symptoms are there. What I mean is that there is nothing physiological or a fixed way to recognize these diagnosis.
Instead, we have the DSM which are just a series of check list. Note that a psychologists decides what items to check and which to leave blank and that most likely another psychologist will disagree about one of the items. Ultimately, schizoid and Aspergers are just tags associated with a number of traits, a way to classify your personality and not a condition by itself.
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Meaning, you'll probably identify with at least some of it if you have an ASD.
I can identify with this as I think it sums me up more to be honest, than the typical bespoke aspie who is right about everything per say.
Meaning, you'll probably identify with at least some of it if you have an ASD.
Well, I wouldn't agree with it. There is a huge overlapp, but I deffinetly don't have SPD, but I fall in the ASD range.
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