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22 Sep 2020, 6:20 am

1. Pathological Lying and Manipulation
2. Lack of Morality and Rule Breaking
3. Lack of Empathy and Cold-Heartedness

Perfect description of people who forges autographs



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22 Sep 2020, 11:26 am

So if you look at the part of the brain that causes this behaviour which is called Cluster B you will see there are only certain conditions listed for this area of the brain where emotions are regulated.

This seems to be a trend throughout many websites, even wiki, and articles saying that the 4 are different types of disorders associated with that part of the brain. Psychopathy doesn't seem to be listed like this when you search for Cluster B disorders, that is why I refer to narcissism being the problematic one with all the murderers/stalkers etc.

Antisocial personality disorder

Borderline personality disorder

Histrionic personality disorder

Narcissistic personality disorder

I have heard of someone saying psychopathy isn't actually its own thing and it's just used as an umbrella term for the above.

There is a hell of a lot of scrambled information.


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22 Sep 2020, 8:26 pm

Lunella wrote:

I have heard of someone saying psychopathy isn't actually its own thing and it's just used as an umbrella term for the above.

There is a hell of a lot of scrambled information.


I have heard this also, but I have met, or should I say, have been a victim of psychopaths on a number of occasions.
I find the label useful.

Yes, psychopathy isn't clear cut.
I lean towards "Evolutionary Psychopathy". 8)



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22 Sep 2020, 8:41 pm

^ Yeah it's a confusing one.

I find it interesting though. It's even more concerning that social media gives people unhealthy traits now like not caring about people unless they do stuff for you.

It's a bit sad really, glad I don't really touch social media much.


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22 Sep 2020, 8:44 pm

Relatively well-rounded from what I remember:


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22 Sep 2020, 8:45 pm

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One of the most interesting things - they go into theta brain states when under acute stress, which is a reaction paradoxical to most people's.


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People high in psychopathy still form romantic relationships, whether or not they get married or establish a committed bond. Such a relationship, however, may not be based on psychological intimacy in the traditional sense of the word. Instead, similar to Bonnie and Clyde. a couple may enter into a relationship based on a shared view of the world in which both try to get as much out of other people as possible. Their lack of empathy and ability to express deep emotions may lead, if not to a violent end, then to dissolution based on increasingly destructive patterns of interaction with each other. https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog ... ls-in-love



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24 Sep 2020, 5:00 am

I've been under the impression that psychopathy and sociopathy are terms used by law enforcement more than anything else. Both falling under ASPD, but because of differences, they are split to do things like help the FBI with profiling. I was into that kind of stuff a few years back. I forget which one has the tendency to have emotional (violent) outbursts and which is more prone to calm, methodical violence. Either way, both have the lack of empathy and superficial charm thing going on.

With ASPD, you can often identify signs that someone might turn out to get that dx as an adult. ODD, then conduct disorder (are those evenstill inthe dsm?) are usually dx's in kids who grow to have ASPD. Not always, sometimes they fly under the radar, but they always meet the criteria even without the dx as a child. Not all kids with those diagnosis get ASPD as an adult though. ASPD folks are also (fun fact here) often bed wetters, and continue to be so well past the age kids usually outgrow it.

I've never run into a person with ASPD, or maybe I have and didn't know it. I doubt they advertise it. I have run into narcissists though. I was married once to someone who had that dx and they never told me 8O I found out later after the divorce was final. I was lucky to get out of that relationship.

There are people who are the fun kind of crazy, and then those who are the scary, run for your life types. I'm sorry you had run ins with the not so fun types, but I'm glad you got away with your life. Victory.



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24 Sep 2020, 7:00 am

FleaOfTheChill wrote:
I've been under the impression that psychopathy and sociopathy are terms used by law enforcement more than anything else. Both falling under ASPD, but because of differences, they are split to do things like help the FBI with profiling. I was into that kind of stuff a few years back. I forget which one has the tendency to have emotional (violent) outbursts and which is more prone to calm, methodical violence. Either way, both have the lack of empathy and superficial charm thing going on.


From previous research:
Sociopaths are made,
Psychopaths are born.
Sociopaths tend to be less intelligent.
Psychopaths tend to be more calculating.
Sociopaths tend to be more violent than psychopaths, physically at least.


FleaOfTheChill wrote:
With ASPD, you can often identify signs that someone might turn out to get that dx as an adult. ODD, then conduct disorder (are those evenstill inthe dsm?) are usually dx's in kids who grow to have ASPD.


I had a friend whose son was diagnosed as a sociopath.
He was told that by 18 it becomes part of a person's "identity".

FleaOfTheChill wrote:
Not always, sometimes they fly under the radar, but they always meet the criteria even without the dx as a child. Not all kids with those diagnosis get ASPD as an adult though. ASPD folks are also (fun fact here) often bed wetters, and continue to be so well past the age kids usually outgrow it.

I've never run into a person with ASPD, or maybe I have and didn't know it. I doubt they advertise it. I have run into narcissists though. I was married once to someone who had that dx and they never told me 8O I found out later after the divorce was final. I was lucky to get out of that relationship.

There are people who are the fun kind of crazy, and then those who are the scary, run for your life types. I'm sorry you had run ins with the not so fun types, but I'm glad you got away with your life. Victory.


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24 Sep 2020, 7:15 am

While I have no doubt that lots of these types exist, I shudder to think of the damage done by the mis-application of such categories, by both professionals and amateurs.

These are dangerous things to call people that you are having conflict with.

Narcissist is another such word


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24 Sep 2020, 7:41 am

Psychopathy test:
https://psychcentral.com/quizzes/psychopathy-quiz/

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An easy to read test, but I answered honestly. 8)


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24 Sep 2020, 7:43 am

Pepe wrote:
Psychopathy test:
https://psychcentral.com/quizzes/psychopathy-quiz/

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An easy to read test, but I answered honestly. 8)
I scored a 4. So I'm worse than Pepe, but not too bad really.



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24 Sep 2020, 7:46 am

"You scored a total of 7

No psychopathy
You answered this quiz consistent with people who would not generally be considered a psychopath by research methods currently used to quickly screen for psychopathy in the population"


I don't bite.


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24 Sep 2020, 7:48 am

Romofan wrote:
While I have no doubt that lots of these types exist, I shudder to think of the damage done by the mis-application of such categories, by both professionals and amateurs.

These are dangerous things to call people that you are having conflict with.

Narcissist is another such word


My experience has been it is very difficult to identify a psychopath even though I am pretty good at reading people.
They can give the appearance of being like a brother.
So trust *NO ONE*! !! :mrgreen:



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24 Sep 2020, 12:33 pm

Pepe?

Do you see any possible overlap between psychopathy and Asperger's?
Could one condition be confused with the other for some reason?

Thank you for making this informative thread! :D


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24 Sep 2020, 7:58 pm

Romofan wrote:
Pepe?

Do you see any possible overlap between psychopathy and Asperger's?
Could one condition be confused with the other for some reason?

Thank you for making this informative thread! :D


Our difficultly with spontaneous empathy made me question if I was one, but the critical difference is:
Psychopaths don't have a conscience.
Overwhelmingly, those on the spectrum have a moral compass overload. 8)

So, nope,
I don't see a connection, after the research I have engaged in.
Not having a conscience is the determinant. 8)