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02 May 2025, 2:07 pm

Oh yeah he doesn't say much either
And he always asks me if it's OK to have an input n me

I usually say yes

I made it clear at the start that I didn't want a diagnosis or any more labels and he's always been respectful of that even though he's more than qualified to do so

He's helped me through quite severe dissociation and now I'm getting used to knowing when it happens but that's been difficult and that's probably the only thing that he has an input about because obviously he's had to help me through it in my appointments sometimes


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02 May 2025, 2:11 pm

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Mine didn't try to explain much. They were very non-directive in those days so they'd just hint at things. My brain can't take in long explanations anyway, unless they write them down so I can read them at my own speed. Best way is for me to ask questions and get straight answers, but in those days I didn't know what to ask, so I didn't ask much.


I'm in your 20s. What do I need to ask? :oops:

Yall's conversation is giving me aitch oh pea ee.


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02 May 2025, 2:19 pm

What does that mean


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02 May 2025, 2:43 pm

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ToughDiamond wrote:
Mine didn't try to explain much. They were very non-directive in those days so they'd just hint at things. My brain can't take in long explanations anyway, unless they write them down so I can read them at my own speed. Best way is for me to ask questions and get straight answers, but in those days I didn't know what to ask, so I didn't ask much.


I'm in your 20s. What do I need to ask? :oops:

Yall's conversation is giving me aitch oh pea ee.

I wish I knew. These days I've got a lot of the answers I was looking for back then and I don't feel the need of a therapist any more. And the questions would be different for each person. I suppose you'd have to figure out what it was you needed to know. At the time I wanted to know whether or not I should leave my wife, but I think I'd already left her by the time I got the therapy, in spirit if not physically, so there wouldn't have been much point in asking. And she would have probably not been able to give me a simple yes or no, she'd have likely asked me what I wanted out of a relationship. In those days I didn't know what I wanted.

There wasn't any sudden improvement in me as result of the sessions. Mostly it just sowed a few seeds and I gradually got better over the years through pondering on those and having experiences and thinking about those.

Good that you feel hope (took me a while to figure out what "aitch oh pea ee" was). If we don't have that then we might not grow much.



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02 May 2025, 2:49 pm

Oh yeah :lol:

I get it now


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02 May 2025, 2:50 pm

babybird wrote:
Oh yeah he doesn't say much either
And he always asks me if it's OK to have an input n me

I usually say yes

I made it clear at the start that I didn't want a diagnosis or any more labels and he's always been respectful of that even though he's more than qualified to do so

He's helped me through quite severe dissociation and now I'm getting used to knowing when it happens but that's been difficult and that's probably the only thing that he has an input about because obviously he's had to help me through it in my appointments sometimes

Yes I preferred the ones who don't medicalise me, the ones who do this "I'm OK, you're OK" thing, like a well person's clinic.

By dissociation, do you mean a sense of detachment from reality, or something else? I gather it's a broad term. No need to answer if the question is too invasive.



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02 May 2025, 2:57 pm

I dunno I just used to dissociate

Because I'd never ever spoke to anyone about stuff and I never showed any emotions; when I first started to get stuff out I used to like fall asleep during the sessions it was really horrible when I look back because it used to take him ages to get me back in the room so to speak and then it was like I'd been drugged

I'm no expert in these things and he never made a big deal of it either. throwing a ball to each other while we was talking used to help so that's what we used to do and then it hardly ever happens to me now except on rare occasions


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02 May 2025, 9:51 pm

That's an inventive trick with the ball.

The nearest I got to falling asleep was that my body language was said to be cutting off the dialogue, plus sometimes what she said to me felt like somebody sticking needles in me. I don't think I was trying to reject the dialogue, I think it was just going too fast for me at times. But I didn't have the words to explain that at the time. I suppose falling asleep might be considered a way of pausing an uncomfortable conversation, but I'm a tad baffled as to what might have caused it.



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02 May 2025, 10:27 pm

I get weird moments where it feels like I can't think and my mind goes numb. When I'm on antidepressants I've noticed that I don't have an internal dialogue and everything goes kind of quiet and it's harder to think. I've began to notice it as when I don't take it I sometimes have a constant dialogue running in my mind. I really dislike being on antidepressant medication. I badly wish there was a way to come off. I worry what it's doing to my mind sometimes.



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02 May 2025, 10:38 pm

Maybe try a different type? Though I don't know of any that don't have side effects of some kind, so I'd choose carefully. I'm just grateful I don't need them.



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02 May 2025, 10:41 pm

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Maybe try a different type? Though I don't know of any that don't have side effects of some kind, so I'd choose carefully. I'm just grateful I don't need them.


I might need to try something else. I've tried some SNRI's like Effexor and Cymbalta and wasn't able to tolerate the side effects. I wondered about the older tricyclical antidepressants. That's great you don't need them! I kind of wish my parents had never put me on them when I was 13 but I think they didn't know what else to do. I don't blame them for that as I would get into bad arguments back and forth in an OCD loop and not stop.



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03 May 2025, 12:00 am

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Maybe another option could be to try reducing the dose, though not without consulting somebody better qualified than I am about psych meds.



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03 May 2025, 12:01 am

Theanine...! once or twice aday , could get alittle drowsey without coffee too boost you ,I am using that and tyrptophan 1000 mg and theanine and alittle Melatonin at night if needed.. The Tyrptophan floats you through the next day.. And theanine as needed. But I probable wrote this before somewhere on this site. :oops: . But there are lots of natural stuff, that can be read about on the net. and in books, but Like I wrote once before , Do not use these amino acid supplements with any SSRIs ,, as Usual,Disclaimer: please consult your physician for your own well being.on these supplements or Naturopathic Doctor.
Just sayin .....(please excuse any redundancys) :mrgreen:


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03 May 2025, 1:41 am

Jakki wrote:
Theanine...! once or twice aday , could get alittle drowsey without coffee too boost you ,I am using that and tyrptophan 1000 mg and theanine and alittle Melatonin at night if needed.. The Tyrptophan floats you through the next day.. And theanine as needed. But I probable wrote this before somewhere on this site. :oops: . But there are lots of natural stuff, that can be read about on the net. and in books, but Like I wrote once before , Do not use these amino acid supplements with any SSRIs ,, as Usual,Disclaimer: please consult your physician for your own well being.on these supplements or Naturopathic Doctor.
Just sayin .....(please excuse any redundancys) :mrgreen:


Thank you Jakki! :D



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03 May 2025, 6:37 am

Brian0787 wrote:
I get weird moments where it feels like I can't think and my mind goes numb. When I'm on antidepressants I've noticed that I don't have an internal dialogue and everything goes kind of quiet and it's harder to think. I've began to notice it as when I don't take it I sometimes have a constant dialogue running in my mind. I really dislike being on antidepressant medication. I badly wish there was a way to come off. I worry what it's doing to my mind sometimes.


Yes!! Whenever I've taken SSRIs, it's like I become less, slower, emptier, or numbish. I don't know how to explain it other than feeling like a little part of me got turned off. I don't like it either. And SNRIs gave me bad side effects too. I've tried a tricyclic and lamotrigine. I don't remember exactly, but I think they were mostly ineffective, though the environment at the time could have been overwhelming any noticeable positive effect. I don't know.

Wellbutrin seems to be the one antidepressant that I find reliably helpful. It doesn't turn me off nor make me happy, but it gives me the option to do something real to help my mood.


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03 May 2025, 9:01 am

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That's an inventive trick with the ball.

The nearest I got to falling asleep was that my body language was said to be cutting off the dialogue, plus sometimes what she said to me felt like somebody sticking needles in me. I don't think I was trying to reject the dialogue, I think it was just going too fast for me at times. But I didn't have the words to explain that at the time. I suppose falling asleep might be considered a way of pausing an uncomfortable conversation, but I'm a tad baffled as to what might have caused it.


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