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03 May 2025, 11:53 am

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I get weird moments where it feels like I can't think and my mind goes numb. When I'm on antidepressants I've noticed that I don't have an internal dialogue and everything goes kind of quiet and it's harder to think. I've began to notice it as when I don't take it I sometimes have a constant dialogue running in my mind. I really dislike being on antidepressant medication. I badly wish there was a way to come off. I worry what it's doing to my mind sometimes.


Yes!! Whenever I've taken SSRIs, it's like I become less, slower, emptier, or numbish. I don't know how to explain it other than feeling like a little part of me got turned off. I don't like it either. And SNRIs gave me bad side effects too. I've tried a tricyclic and lamotrigine. I don't remember exactly, but I think they were mostly ineffective, though the environment at the time could have been overwhelming any noticeable positive effect. I don't know.

Wellbutrin seems to be the one antidepressant that I find reliably helpful. It doesn't turn me off nor make me happy, but it gives me the option to do something real to help my mood.


Thank you so much for sharing! You described it better than I could. Like a part of me got "turned off". It's almost like a part of you is stripped away. I am glad Wellbutrin is helping for you! I remember trying it briefly and think I got bad sweating issues and felt hyper.



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04 May 2025, 12:09 am

I finally am beginning to accept that I'm depressed. I think I've been trying to deny it and not acknowledge it. I also as much as it kind of pains me realize that I truly need to be on medication. Despite the side effects I think I need it to function and probably need to be on a higher dose. I keep thinking "Is Depression related to a chemical imbalance?" A part of me dosen't quite know the answer to that but I have to believe it plays a part. So many members of my family battle anxiety and depression. I don't see it as coincidental and there has to be some genetic component involved which probably controls neurotransmitters.

I sometimes fought back against the idea of a biological explanation and thought "Is it circumstantial?" Is my circumstances driving it? I am thinking maybe it's a combination of things and it's more nuanced then it seems. Sometimes I get thoughts in my head that say "What did people do before antidepressants?" They managed to do without it. Maybe what I don't realize is that many people suffered in silence during that time.



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04 May 2025, 10:43 am

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There's a fossil record of the depression slaves in blues songs that started around the 1860s. They certainly didn't suffer in silence, and their depression was mostly circumstantial as evidenced by the lyrics, e.g. "Born under a bad sign/I've been down since I began to crawl/if it wasn't for bad luck/I wouldn't have no luck at all." No pills for them, and their only hope of a cure was emancipation, which they still don't quite have. I suppose expressing the angst so graphically was pretty much the only thing that kept a lot of them going. I'm a great believer in expressing pain and angst as a kind of therapy, which is why I practise it so often. I'm lucky enough to be reasonably non-miserable, as judged by self-assessment.

I'm not a great believer in medication for depression, though I allow that in severe cases where all else has failed it's probably the only thing for it. I'm more prone to anxiety than depression myself. My mother was also highly-strung and frequently complained of being "sick of whittling away her soul-case" as she so eloquently put it. It may have contributed to her early-ish death from a brain stroke. So I have to be careful.

I think for both anxiety and depression it's good if the one affected strives to look after themselves. I think it helps avoid low feelings if the subject has interesting things to do that are neither too hard or too easy, and like I suggested above, expressing it is therapeutic, especially when the subject feels they're being listened to with empathy.



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04 May 2025, 1:08 pm

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There's a fossil record of the depression slaves in blues songs that started around the 1860s. They certainly didn't suffer in silence, and their depression was mostly circumstantial as evidenced by the lyrics, e.g. "Born under a bad sign/I've been down since I began to crawl/if it wasn't for bad luck/I wouldn't have no luck at all." No pills for them, and their only hope of a cure was emancipation, which they still don't quite have. I suppose expressing the angst so graphically was pretty much the only thing that kept a lot of them going. I'm a great believer in expressing pain and angst as a kind of therapy, which is why I practise it so often. I'm lucky enough to be reasonably non-miserable, as judged by self-assessment.

I'm not a great believer in medication for depression, though I allow that in severe cases where all else has failed it's probably the only thing for it. I'm more prone to anxiety than depression myself. My mother was also highly-strung and frequently complained of being "sick of whittling away her soul-case" as she so eloquently put it. It may have contributed to her early-ish death from a brain stroke. So I have to be careful.

I think for both anxiety and depression it's good if the one affected strives to look after themselves. I think it helps avoid low feelings if the subject has interesting things to do that are neither too hard or too easy, and like I suggested above, expressing it is therapeutic, especially when the subject feels they're being listened to with empathy.


Thank you for sharing! You bring up some great points. The 1860's was a period of real depression for slaves and they expressed alot of their sorrow in songs and spirituals. I can't even begin to imagine what they lived through. It's definitely helpful to find hobbies and things to do. I agree with you too that medication is a good support in severe cases when all else has failed.



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04 May 2025, 1:47 pm

I'm finally back on normal mood again, after I had solid feel down on Tuesday. I felt soo miserable, tho literally nothing happened.

I think it may be severing mood swing, and that I have for some time (2-3 years?) already. Till now I dismissed 'em as normal mood changes, but it's not normal to feel that depressed out of nowhere.

Likely I must consult a psychiatrist, I'm afraid one day it may go too far. And I don't want to hurt myself.


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05 May 2025, 6:18 am

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There's a fossil record of the depression slaves in blues songs that started around the 1860s. They certainly didn't suffer in silence, and their depression was mostly circumstantial as evidenced by the lyrics, e.g. "Born under a bad sign/I've been down since I began to crawl/if it wasn't for bad luck/I wouldn't have no luck at all." No pills for them, and their only hope of a cure was emancipation, which they still don't quite have. I suppose expressing the angst so graphically was pretty much the only thing that kept a lot of them going. I'm a great believer in expressing pain and angst as a kind of therapy, which is why I practise it so often. I'm lucky enough to be reasonably non-miserable, as judged by self-assessment.


I think about the all the time! They weren't allowed to exist as people, have families or friends, or even decide where they would be. How did they survive? How did they make it through another day? What kept them going?

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I think for both anxiety and depression it's good if the one affected strives to look after themselves. I think it helps avoid low feelings if the subject has interesting things to do that are neither too hard or too easy, and like I suggested above, expressing it is therapeutic, especially when the subject feels they're being listened to with empathy.


I used to share what was bothering me, but I learned to stop. In my experience, sharing has bad outcomes. Others make faces or remarks that imply that I should not share how I'm feeling. They can respond in a way that implies that I'm over-reacting or have no reason to feel that way. Even worse, they may use what I tell them to hurt me precisely. Say I tell them that I am going to be sad on Memorial Day because I lost someone that was in the military, they will make sure I feel loss again early in the morning on that day.


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05 May 2025, 10:54 am

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There's a fossil record of the depression slaves in blues songs that started around the 1860s. They certainly didn't suffer in silence, and their depression was mostly circumstantial as evidenced by the lyrics, e.g. "Born under a bad sign/I've been down since I began to crawl/if it wasn't for bad luck/I wouldn't have no luck at all." No pills for them, and their only hope of a cure was emancipation, which they still don't quite have. I suppose expressing the angst so graphically was pretty much the only thing that kept a lot of them going. I'm a great believer in expressing pain and angst as a kind of therapy, which is why I practise it so often. I'm lucky enough to be reasonably non-miserable, as judged by self-assessment.


I think about the all the time! They weren't allowed to exist as people, have families or friends, or even decide where they would be. How did they survive? How did they make it through another day? What kept them going?

Judging by songs like "Change Gonna Come," it was hope that kept them going. And they were religious so for them it didn't matter so much that this life was hell. Some of those Negro spirituals are the most powerful emotive songs I've ever heard.

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I think for both anxiety and depression it's good if the one affected strives to look after themselves. I think it helps avoid low feelings if the subject has interesting things to do that are neither too hard or too easy, and like I suggested above, expressing it is therapeutic, especially when the subject feels they're being listened to with empathy.


I used to share what was bothering me, but I learned to stop. In my experience, sharing has bad outcomes. Others make faces or remarks that imply that I should not share how I'm feeling. They can respond in a way that implies that I'm over-reacting or have no reason to feel that way. Even worse, they may use what I tell them to hurt me precisely. Say I tell them that I am going to be sad on Memorial Day because I lost someone that was in the military, they will make sure I feel loss again early in the morning on that day.

That could be why so many people say don't get friendship and counselling mixed up. A lot of ordinary people just can't cope with deep feelings being shared. But I've always hoped for close friends who would try to help if I opened up to them, as long as I didn't try to do it too much. Sharing about vulnerabilities is said by many to be the hallmark of a strong friendship, something that wasn't socially acceptable not so long ago, and isn't always nowadays. In practice I just share a bit here and a bit there, and don't expect too much to come of it. Even with counselling I'm like that. I'm not good at leaning on people.



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05 May 2025, 11:17 am

I still mourn of what could have been.

And it doesn't even involved something complicated, really.
It was just that fricking simple.

So, so stupid simple, really, had someone dug harder or listened firmer than carry through their usual common assumptions.


Can one regret powerlessness?
Not the one being at fault for things, just that the inability to be able to take action for things all because everyone around me is that incompetent.

That my own worldview that people are unreliable had been stronger than ever.


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05 May 2025, 11:21 am

Aw sorry Edna


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05 May 2025, 12:52 pm

Bipolar sounds like a redundant term. For something to be polar, it has to have two ends. Unipolar depression is just depression with magnitudes of severity. It's not polar at all. Tripolar wouldn't make sense except in space alien math. We need to tell the APA that this madness has to end.

APA! If you can hear us, stop calling it bipolar. It's redundant and unnecessarily repeats itself.


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05 May 2025, 2:39 pm

I used to avoid remembering things about myself from when I was a child but I'm starting to allow myself a little bit now

It feels weird and scary


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05 May 2025, 2:56 pm

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Bipolar sounds like a redundant term. For something to be polar, it has to have two ends. Unipolar depression is just depression with magnitudes of severity. It's not polar at all. Tripolar wouldn't make sense except in space alien math. We need to tell the APA that this madness has to end.

APA! If you can hear us, stop calling it bipolar. It's redundant and unnecessarily repeats itself.

I think that's called being logical to a fault. I used to know a girl whose tutor often called her that when she'd tired him out with her strict coherence to reason. I dug her though. We used to have dancing lessons together.

I used to like "manic-depressive." Probably no more accurate, but it sounded good and dramatic. If I want to be accurate I call it "wide mood swings." I'd probably have those if I didn't have so much self control.



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05 May 2025, 10:37 pm

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Can one regret powerlessness?
Not the one being at fault for things, just that the inability to be able to take action for things all because everyone around me is that incompetent.

That my own worldview that people are unreliable had been stronger than ever.


I'm gonna be thinking about this hard. Thanks for the new obsession! :)


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06 May 2025, 12:03 am

Using natural type of supplements and some things that are closer to natural .. Your body should, or my experience
is that it absorbs the supplements more easily , And even though the side effects of those amino acids . Can cause a more plentiful supply of seratonin for the brain/ body to use to fight depressive effects . And supercharge ,to some degree your own bodies resistance to stress.. Often allowing people to get into a much more restful state. The idea of interfering with the brain/bodies .Natural processes to use these things to keep your brain in balance . By slowing down the usuage of Serotonin or Epinepherine in the brain . Makes for lots of hit and miss prescribing in my opinion . And if you run out then you go through side effects of prescription withdrawels . Amino acids are available from many stores and health food or vitamin stores. OR. you might add a more natural version of a natural anti stress plant called
Skeletorian Tortusium available commercially also . Skeletorium Totusium (mail order name) , in its pharmacy name. is called Zembrin .
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[ Stress=Inflammation=certain body system nutritional depletion. To handle stress . Ongoing or otherwise. And if you do not replace the the nutrients depletion cause by the stress . You will experience ongoing symptoms( depression) etc.


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06 May 2025, 8:27 am

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Judging by songs like "Change Gonna Come," it was hope that kept them going. And they were religious so for them it didn't matter so much that this life was hell. Some of those Negro spirituals are the most powerful emotive songs I've ever heard.


I love that song! Thanks for sharing. Do you have any other recommendations?

And I get the religious part. I'm not religious as in following a dogma, but I have my own beliefs and not scared of death at all. It's very peaceful to know that in the end, it will end, and no one can stop that. :heart:

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A lot of ordinary people just can't cope with deep feelings being shared. But I've always hoped for close friends who would try to help if I opened up to them, as long as I didn't try to do it too much. Sharing about vulnerabilities is said by many to be the hallmark of a strong friendship, something that wasn't socially acceptable not so long ago, and isn't always nowadays. In practice I just share a bit here and a bit there, and don't expect too much to come of it. Even with counselling I'm like that. I'm not good at leaning on people.


I'm happy for your situation, but my experiences do not match that at all. I had friends that insisted on calling me family ask me what foods I didn't like, and when I told them, they made that food the very next day. It was a repeating cycle of luring me in, hurting me, then insisting I return as if it didn't happen. "Come here so we can treat you like s**t." When I tried to talk to them about the relationship in general, one of them said, "Maybe you're too sensitive," as if they had planned that conversation ahead of time. Later, they urged me to not talk about them with my psychologist anymore. Lessons learned: Don't tell anyone anything that bothers you, don't create any sense of attachment that will impede your ability to leave, don't expect grounded and mutually beneficial conversations, and immediately cut ties with someone that does anything like that.


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06 May 2025, 12:51 pm

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Judging by songs like "Change Gonna Come," it was hope that kept them going. And they were religious so for them it didn't matter so much that this life was hell. Some of those Negro spirituals are the most powerful emotive songs I've ever heard.


I love that song! Thanks for sharing. Do you have any other recommendations?

"Is It Because I'm Black?"
"Old Man River"
"Michael Row The Boat Ashore"
The problem is, I don't know that any of the songs I quoted are from the actual slavery days or later. More authentic ones here:
https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/9249524
but I don't recall hearing many of those.

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And I get the religious part. I'm not religious as in following a dogma, but I have my own beliefs and not scared of death at all. It's very peaceful to know that in the end, it will end, and no one can stop that. :heart:

For me it's the quality of death that matters. The worst thing must be to die slowly and painfully. And it's hard to control whether you get a quick death or a slow one. Seems cruel that religion (and often the law) forbids accelerating the process when it's slow agony.
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A lot of ordinary people just can't cope with deep feelings being shared. But I've always hoped for close friends who would try to help if I opened up to them, as long as I didn't try to do it too much. Sharing about vulnerabilities is said by many to be the hallmark of a strong friendship, something that wasn't socially acceptable not so long ago, and isn't always nowadays. In practice I just share a bit here and a bit there, and don't expect too much to come of it. Even with counselling I'm like that. I'm not good at leaning on people.


I'm happy for your situation, but my experiences do not match that at all. I had friends that insisted on calling me family ask me what foods I didn't like, and when I told them, they made that food the very next day. It was a repeating cycle of luring me in, hurting me, then insisting I return as if it didn't happen. "Come here so we can treat you like s**t." When I tried to talk to them about the relationship in general, one of them said, "Maybe you're too sensitive," as if they had planned that conversation ahead of time. Later, they urged me to not talk about them with my psychologist anymore. Lessons learned: Don't tell anyone anything that bothers you, don't create any sense of attachment that will impede your ability to leave, don't expect grounded and mutually beneficial conversations, and immediately cut ties with someone that does anything like that.

What you say to your therapist is supposed to be strictly confidential so I don't know how they found out what you were saying. With people that cruel, you'd be playing into their hands if you didn't discuss their behaviour with others.