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Sieanna
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29 Mar 2013, 10:33 pm

Often children with ADHD or Aspergers/Autism diagnoses are dismissed because it is believed that their conditions are primarily caused by trauma.
Regardless if they have a professional diagnose of ADHD and/or Autism or not. Most people beleive these conditions are BS because if they werent brought up in 'Brady Bunch Family' it's no wonder they are not normal. This is a typical outlook by most people that work in different types of social, child welfare, mental health workers etc with in our community.

The danger of misdiagnose is that these people will most likely not be treated for trauma. That can result in sustaining serious mental health problems.

If they have a diagnose of autism or ADHD and early intervention does not exist because they are naughty kids from dysfunctional familys that too can have serious implications.

I believe there should be an education campaign to teach professionals in many fields about disorders that seem questionable; such as ADHD, mild to moderate autism, Aspergers syndrome and
Learning disabilities so they are not over looked as mild condtions that are developmental trauma caused because these people usuallly receive no intervention for real diagnosis.



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30 Mar 2013, 2:20 am

There is always the danger of missdiagnosis.
Also because psychiatry is very subjective.

There is also the possibility that an autistic person grows up in a sh***y household.

I was diagnosed for many years with autism, now I'm thinking about the fact that I might just have autistic tendencies and schizotypal PD who got overlooked because the psychiatrists were too much into autism.
What I wanted to say is, that psychiatry is not that easy and also highly subjective. Many people aren't clear cut cases and might even fit in more than one category.


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30 Mar 2013, 2:25 am

Hi there,

I am assuming you are speaking from personal experience, in that either yourself or someone you know has been misdiagnosed. I myself have lost two years of my life due to misdiagnosis, all because the highly paid doctor could not be bothered to read the chart from the previous hospital I was transferred from. Fortunately it was only two years, because bipolar disorder is often not diagnosed until three to ten years or even a lifetime. But for me it was two years too much.

I have a health professional background, before I started to have major mood episodes, and I know what the correct and incorrect way of handling assessment and diagnosis. It was shocking to see, from the patient's point of view, how many life-threatening or otherwise idiotic mistakes are made. There are many brilliant health professionals out there but unfortunately there are some real duds, and then some who are just mediocre.

There should be mandatory assessment every couple of years for health professionals. There should be better pay and conditions in order to attract a higher calibre of person.

And I agree that all health/social professionals should be made to understand the patient's perspective.



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30 Mar 2013, 3:01 am

Sarah81 wrote:
I myself have lost two years of my life due to misdiagnosis, all because the highly paid doctor could not be bothered to read the chart from the previous hospital I was transferred from.


Oh my gosh the same thing happened to me! 8O
I was ambulant in a psychiatry for nearly two years and in the last(!) setting my psychiatrist kicked me and told me that she didn't thought it would be important to read old reports. 8O

I had a trauma at this time from a stationary stay in the psychiatry and could never come over that because I stayed in the traumatic situation and the psychiatrists didn't beliefed me until the end where they noticed that something is wrong.

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30 Mar 2013, 3:09 am

Regardless of professional diagnose. People come to thier own conclusion and assumptions. Particulary those who are educated. I can understand controversy particulary with psychology.
Nature versus nurture. It is annoying that people will argue that John Nash. I think his name was, who had Schizophrenia did not. He was in denial about being abused by his cousin.
His condition was trauma related and more likley to be a personality disorder.

Pychosis on it's own can cause trauma.

It seems I am stereotyping. I think there is alot of psychology clashes with mental health workers, social workers etc even Teachers.
Nature versus nuture - mild to moderate disorders versus assumptions. This political and educated system fails our society because it teaches controversy. Many people with Aspergers already fall through the cracks. However, I agree with the Goverment encouraging healthy psychology and care for children in thier first five years.



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30 Mar 2013, 7:07 am

Sieanna wrote:
Regardless of professional diagnose. People come to thier own conclusion and assumptions. Particulary those who are educated. I can understand controversy particulary with psychology.
Nature versus nurture. It is annoying that people will argue that John Nash. I think his name was, who had Schizophrenia did not. He was in denial about being abused by his cousin.
His condition was trauma related and more likley to be a personality disorder.

Pychosis on it's own can cause trauma.

It seems I am stereotyping. I think there is alot of psychology clashes with mental health workers, social workers etc even Teachers.
Nature versus nuture - mild to moderate disorders versus assumptions. This political and educated system fails our society because it teaches controversy. Many people with Aspergers already fall through the cracks. However, I agree with the Goverment encouraging healthy psychology and care for children in thier first five years.


Just to be controversial, if we were not educated to BE controversial in the way that we think, how would we make progress as a society? It used to be that people with intellectual disabilities, severe mental conditions, and autism or asperger were segregated from society with less human rights. Because of controversial thinking, now we are all educated together, more or less. Some think of autism still as a disability, while others think of it simply as another way of being or thinking. Would you still enjoy the rights you have today if there were not controversy among the educated?

So you have one professional saying the difficulties are trauma related while the other says autism? Is it possible to accept that neither is the absolute truth? That neither nature or nurture define us? The absolute truth of you, is you.



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30 Mar 2013, 7:23 am

Sarah81 wrote:
So you have one professional saying the difficulties are trauma related while the other says autism? Is it possible to accept that neither is the absolute truth? That neither nature or nurture define us? The absolute truth of you, is you.


I think that way about my moodswings. That they are caused by nature AND nurture.
I belief that's the way with most conditions.

But actually I don't know if it's that important why we are the way we are. We just are and much more important than that is the question what to do about it!?


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30 Mar 2013, 4:17 pm

The opposite happens alot too. Kids get diagnosed with things like ADHD & get put on various dangerous meds when the real problem is that their parents don't want to bother raising them & want the kid to be easy to handle. The kid's go through life on medication that's hurting them instead of helping anything instead of getting the support they need to deal with the real issues. I really wish docs & psychs would investigate & try to get the whole picture about family & school issues instead of making or dismissing diagnoses.


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30 Mar 2013, 7:07 pm

A psychiatric misdiagnosis can cause great harm. Psychiatrists explain symptoms based on the diagnosis they have made. This can be a problem, since many disorders have superficial similarities, but very different causes and treatments. A wrong diagnosis has the potential to be psychologically and physically harmful so a psychiatrist must take great care and investigate thoroughly.


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I really wish docs & psychs would investigate & try to get the whole picture about family & school issues instead of making or dismissing diagnoses.


I do too. The psychiatrist's office is only one context of many in a person's life.


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31 Mar 2013, 3:02 am

Sieanna wrote:
Nature versus nurture. It is annoying that people will argue that John Nash. I think his name was, who had Schizophrenia did not. He was in denial about being abused by his cousin.
His condition was trauma related and more likley to be a personality disorder.

Pychosis on it's own can cause trauma.


I don't think that you necesseraly think that about John Nash, but I still wanted to mention that schizophrenia is running in Nashs family. Also his son has schizophrenia.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SizS1nOOeJg[/youtube]
(his son is comming at 2:42)

I was also once missdiagnosed and it harmed me extremly.
Sadly many psychiatrists don't even dare to ask about the familiar situation and very often not even about other psychiatric conditions in the family.


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