Autism/Schizo

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I'm autistic and have schizo girlfriend for 10 years. It has taken me this long to really get in her head and understand what is going on. Watching the Temple Grandin movie and taking a long time trying to deep dive into her world. Exposing myself to the type of stimming she does by playing multiple things at the same time. Movie, Music, while also playing a game. All of this along with meditating I suddenly realized that autism and schizophrenia are closely related. It was just a hypothesis but I seem to be correct.

All of the audio hallucinations that schizos hear is the same as the images that autistic people get.... it just has a different affect on the brain because auditory and visual systems work differently.

Another thing I've noticed is that autistics seem to often be obsessed to accuracy, reality, and truth and schizos are on the other side of the spectrum.

Schizo/Autism are spectrum disorders but I think they are the same spectrum just i a different dimension.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... r-disorder


You have to look at things from a different angle to really understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opLEIWNI4SA visual hallucinations

I'm on both spectrums, believe it or not. I have a schizoaffective diagnosis (which encompasses mood disorders and schizophrenia spectrum), but I never bothered to get an ASD diagnosis (I can self-diagnose to enough of a degree to note relevant issues). When I was hit with my psychosis as an adult, what I had already compiled on myself as being "Asperger's", I just basically stopped worrying about and tried to treat the psychosis, paranoia, etc. I found an article recently about how ASD and SSD have similarities and can be co-morbid. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5410649/

Generally schizophrenia is rare in children. It usually comes out later. Autism (very early on in its research) was actually called childhood schizophrenia (but eventually diverged into autism), the realization being that these kids weren't hallucinating or having delusions, but were rather lost in their own worlds. ASD is of course relatively common in children. So with myself, I can understand a lot of my childhood behavior in terms of ASD characteristics, and can understand my adult psychotic symptoms in terms of SSD.

Being Autistic and Scizophrenic isn't that uncommon. I've met quite a few people (online) who have had both as far as How exactly it'd affect it. Also i'm not entirely sure if scizophrenia is just Auditory.. Being schizophrenic and autistic is a thing. It's a comorbid. As far as theories about hwat is the opposite of autism I stopped with those theories. They are so stupid and often times aren't true and are full of gross generalizations. Anyway. Yeah, No. This theory isn't true. As far as the accuracy reality and truth thing. No that isn't true.Alot of autistic people often ignore the truth and reality of things rigidly. And from what i understand about schizophrenia is that the hallucinations are part of your reality and truth. Just no the objective reality and truth.

I agree. I see them as on different spectrums but they have some things in common, and they can easily co-occur in the same individual. Btw hallucinations can be visual but auditory is more common.

Yes schizophrenic individuals are interested in the truth, that's where the delusions come from (they can believe things are true which are not often thanks in part to their symptoms, which they may struggle to identify as mental illness, because of how real they seem)...and often it starts out innocently enough, like they would experience a psychotic symptom, e.g. hear voices (symptom: hallucination) and come up with an explanation that this must be a case of ESP. Of course this spawns more theories and strange messages coming through. It is not easy to understand our own madness, and our first impulse is not always to believe we're going crazy (even if that is indeed what's going on). So many who are schizophrenic don't have insight into their condition, at least for a while. If you can get a psychotic person to see that they are psychotic, this can be the path to growth and recovery...so they can fix themselves from the inside out. Often they won't believe others, though (paranoia and trusting others can be real problems for them). Granted, even in a best-case-scenario of insight into their condition, the hallucinations may not stop, but at the very least they can learn to not feed their delusions by identifying their symptoms as part of their mental illness. Medications can be effective in treating the hallucinations. The delusions generally have to go away through awareness of the real world and learning to distinguish reality from distortion...a kind of vigilance against their own mind's tendency to play tricks on them.

If you go to Special Books for Special Kids youtube channel, there is an interview done with an exceptional young man with both ASD and Schizophrenia (that developed later in his life)



one of my biggest fears is my elder developing schizophrenia, as he is non verbal too--so the degree of terror he feels would be multiplied.

I'm not sure both are spectrum disorders since my ASD traits have not changed in magnitude since my childhood brain development ended. Schizophrenic symptoms can be complicated and have different levels of intensity depending on the patient. Their severity, however, varies over time in adulthood. Some recover fully, some partially, and some remain low-functioning or even worsen.

I think assuming they share the "same" spectrum is to exaggerate things, and likely unhelpful for treatment. There is no medicine for autism but several for schizophrenia.

I am regularly diagnosed with both pervasive developmental disorder (F84 in ICD-10) and something with the part
"schizo" in the name of a mental condition since above four years. I have never been diagnosed with schizophrenia and PDD at the same time, but I was very often diagnosed with schizophrenia-type disorder (F21 in ICD-10) and PDD (Asperger's) together.

I had diagnosis of schizophrenia for some weeks in 2016, but later (after going to day hospital) I was diagnosed with schizotypal, Asperger's, mixed OCD and other sexual preference disorder. My OCD was described or named as "bookish" in 2008 and "severe" in 2019 (in ruling of Social Insurance Institution).

It could be said that I can't work occupationally, for earning money except for "extremely" easy jobs (which can be easier than cleaning or being a security worker - these two jobs are most popular in my country in offers for people with ruling of disability). I had very easy jobs for some times from IX 2017 to I 2019. First was very short (one hour for eight days) and without the contract and was very uncomplicated. Second was much longer, it was due to my ruling of disability (level 2 in scale from 1 to 3, in addition I had "special health problem" which should made employing me even more profitable for the employer), it was also very simple. First time I had that job for 29 work days (23.10.2017 - 01.12.2017), second time for about 5 - 6 months (from 16.07.2018 to 11.01.2019).

I have never had a closer friend, even more I haven't had a girlfriend at all. Lack of colleagues and friends is rather not painful for me, but wifelessness can be unpleasant and requiring. I have never driven a car and, of course, I have no driving licence. I am almost 29 years old and have never lived on myself (even during studies), I still live in one home with parents. I have never had pet animal in home in classic way and have never been abroad.

Autism used to be called childhood schizophrenia but they've been considered separate conditions since 1980.

Right. This is because they realized that kids with autism were seeing things in their mind's eye via imagination...their imaginary or inner world, and not hallucinating (as was previously suspected).

Most people who are insane whether it be psychosis mania or somethnig else dont' realise it at the time. THe scary thing about insanity is it seems entirely rational at the time. Like some things thinking back on it i'mjust like what in the f**k but here' teh thing IT MADE SENSE THEN. And doubting your reality can be a dangerous thing in an off itself.

Slightly off topic and perhaps a very stupid question, but I was wondering if someone had schizophrenia and they had a child, would the child be more likely to develop autism? I found one study, and I was wondering if anyone had more information on the topic.

The answer is most likely yes...but I don't know the exact numbers. The reason why it's true is, as we've already talked about, autism and schizophrenia have some similarities, and both have been shown to have a genetic basis. So the genes that cause one have similarities to the genes that cause the other, therefore given the way genetic transmission works and traits inherited etc (all the probabilities there), you are looking at a higher likelihood...

Holy moly. I found out something new today and what you said along with other information is probably why I have autism.

That's ultimately the problem insanity often seems like sanity to the person who is experiencing it. See the problem is that its' part of their reality. Rather it's delusions or hallucinations it's real for them. When, I was going through a manic episode and thought I was some prophet. It felt real. You have to realize that it's not and fight against it. If someone told you that the color orange was infact red who would you believe your eyes or the guy who saying it's red?

Yeah I've seen that video, it's great! (also great channel)

Yeah I actually just found that out today. SCZ can have hallucinations from all senses. Mostly audio, less frequently visual. And visual has 2 subtypes, 1 is only seeing shapes and lines and outlines and shadows, the other is full on realistic images.


that's not what I meant, spectrum was a really bad word when talking about spectrum disorders. DOH.


Hmmm... maybe. I think I know the behavior you're talking about but I think it's more nuanced than that. They may ignore the truth about certain things but, especially social constructs, but I think it has more to do with having a hard time understanding the importance of certain things so they are seen as irrelevant. I'm definitely going to have to look into it more, I don't have enough data, just spitballing. If you want to clarify, correct anything I said, or rebuttal please feel free.