Christianity and being LGBT

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Whilst it might be the position of men who claim to be the voice of God, a reading of the Bible itself gives Gods position:- " 18 Let thy fountain be blessed, and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.

19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times, and be thou ravished always with her love."

Another critisism of these self appointed prophets is their teaching that salvation must be earned by good works drives many to despair, awat from God, and indeed, even to suicide, whereas the Mosiac Law of the Jews was specifically to demonstrate to mankind, that we cannot be sinless enought to earn our own salvation, and therfore be totally dependant on Gods Love and mercy and that Jesus died in our place for our sins, it is the acknowledgement of this and our gratitude that will put us in line for salvation, not our own goodness that says "we dont need Jesus sacrifice as much as the next man because we are so good",

Luke 18
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”


Does Gods mercy however give somebody who wants that mercy a free ticket to a ride on the sin and debaucery train?, to be in constant joy in the practice of sin?, you would have to put yourself in Gods position and see how you would feel, I would imagine there is a differance between those of us who are unwilling slaves of sin, and those who delight in it.

Another thing LGBT Christians never consider, they are in no worst a position than hetrosexual Christians who are single and unloveable who must struggle equally.

There can be a difference, I think, in that the former might have the option of giving in to the temptation, while the latter have little else to do but suffer.

I think that in terms of romance homosexuality is a definite disadvantage though, and I'm not saying this to make anybody feel bad - I'm just surprised this is hardly ever mentioned. The reason I have in mind is that the chance of rejection for a homosexual person is far higher, because the people you may fall for are statistically unlikely to even consider a relationship.

Believe me, we gay people mention it. Do a Google search and see how many pages of forums, advice columns, Yahoo Answers etc. are devoted to people wondering how to find a same-sex partner. Personally, I complain about it quite a bit, but try to hold it in somewhat in order not to sound repetitive.

When She spells out "I HATE FAGS" in quasar burst Morse code it'll be a wee bit more convincing.

I was raised in an ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) congregation. Back in fall 2009, the ELCA made the history making decision to allow gay and lesbian people in the ministry. I live in a mostly Conservative Pennsylvania town, so obviously people were not happy about this. People from the Conservative side of the issue became so angry they stood up while a woman was addressing the congregation and started screaming the bible verses that supposedly protest against homosexuality. (This woman was advocating for the ELCA's decision.) Our congregation voted on whether or not they agreed with the decision, and by a very close vote we decided to stay with the ELCA. There was another Lutheran congregation just down the road that decided to leave, so all of the angry Conservative members left our church and flocked over to the Conservative Lutheran church.

As far as my beliefs, I don't really know what I believe when it comes to religion and god. It was indeed very sad to listen to people become so angry about one issue, however there is not much else we can do about them. Good riddance is all I say. I remember a few of those members came to a funeral for one of our members. They completely ignored all of us at the luncheon following the service. They didn't even say hello. We are searching for a new pastor now, and our previous pastor retired about a year and a half ago. I must admit that we have all done a remarkable job when it comes to healing from such an intense conflict.

That is a horrible thing for a mother to say! I know how it feels to have family members who are not accepting of my sexual orientation. My mom, dad and sister are accepting. However, I have several people from my extended family who are Conservative Southern Baptists. I have two cousins who are gay. One is male and the other is female. One member of my family insisted upon trolling my cousin's YouTube profile and writing about his disgusting fantasy to murder gay people. He kept telling my cousin how he "owed our extended family an apology for being queer." Really? I think I know somebody who owes our family an apology. And that someone is you!

I am not being hatefull"I HATE FAGS" is not my mindset, im bisexuel.I was just stating a fact in the bible that has alot of gay christians/lutherans/catholics in conflict and trying to give them and others a place to discuss the entire issue.Imagine having your romantic desires go against your religious beliefs....it is stressfull, I thought people needed a place to vent.

I'm curious as to where in the Bible it is written that, I've been commanded to not be a transsexual, or think that way, or act on it. I was raised Latter Day Saint. We look at the bible differently than nearly all other Christians and Jews. We don't follow the Law of Moses because we believe Christ fulfilled the law, so I always get confused when someone pulls something from there to go you should do this, and I go, but we don't follow the training wheel laws anymore because of Christ. I've never run across anything in the New Testament about it. And there is nothing specific in the Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price either. One of my fav things to respond to someone telling me that I can't be trans because the old testament says so, and I respond back saying I'm not Jewish and don't follow the Law of Moses. They give me the funniest looks. I then say that Christ fulfilled the law. I don't need training wheels anymore on my religion telling them what I can and can't eat, how many steps I can take on a day, or who I can and can't have a relationship with.

I always get confused about this. It's like, I read my scriptures, did you read the scriptures? Are you sure you read it? You're sure... Tell me where I should read.... Ok there... I read it. I don't get how you get that I'm not supposed to be Trans from whatever it is they use. They end up going off into, it's the meaning of the word, or something was lost in the translation, or you're just taking one definition over another for a word. It's confusing.

Also the whole stewardship thing. It annoys me that people act like they have stewardship over me telling me what to do. You're not my parents, You're not my friend, you're not my church leader, you're not even necessarily in any position to be in charge over me. Why do you suddenly think it's okay to assume a position of stewardship over me when you have no right to do so? It's frustrating. I just want to live my life without you trying to micromanage me. Worry about yourself first. I've got myself covered.

I supposed it all depends on how you interpet the scipture,or how you were raised to interpet it.and I agree it sucks when someone who is in no position to be in charge of you tries to be,it's like I am not a child I can handle my own life in make my own decisions why don't you get that?

Religion is to sex what anorexia and bulimia are to food.

By creating impossible standards, such as turning natural sexual urges into taboos forbidden to even think about (called by Jesus "adultery in the heart" and punishable by eternal torture - infinitely worse than Hitler if true), we are accused of being sinners and in need of forgiveness.

It's like the usual marketing technique: create a problem (e.g. your body isn't this impossible shape, your skin has wrinkles or "blemishes", or you have "impure" thoughts), and their product is presented as the solution.

It's a mind trap which enslaves people to human representatives of a non-existent God.

Read these articles:

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