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23 Feb 2008, 5:53 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

Plus, gangsta rap actually has the emotional grime to staple the beat. When I'm listening to a lot of stuff, sober or otherwise, I want something that's emotionally immersive and kinda angular in that regard. When you have a beat where it feels like its breathing, twisting in and out of itself, getting lost in its own atmosphere, and its the kind of thing where if you listened to it baked reality would start pulverizing within it - that's good s--- in my books; having sort of bleak and defiled lyrics and concepts just adds to that.

Kinda like how when I listen to actual 'techno' techno that I like is the stuff that's real grimy, dysphoric, feels like an 80's antidrug commercial; pretty much Russian mafia and prole type isht and sometimes, not always, the nastier and more vile the energy the better (depends on the producer and their tastes in matching sound with ambiance and ideas). With rap, while I can get into the geeky science-and-theory type stuff some of the time, it still feels like its really lacking something emotionally a lot of times - unless they really go over the top with street wisdom and altruism (like Maxi Jazz from faithless and other people with that sort of spin and outlook) ie. it doesn't seem like many U.S. artists really push that angle or at least from an emotional angle that I actually like all that much.

You're entirely correct. Gangsta, proper, honest gangsta rap can be among the best in the world. Look at Tupac... he was an unrepentant gangsta, but he was as honest as anyone on his records. Listen to All Eyez On Me, his most thug-life emphatic record, and he is so honest. And sometimes, he even shows self doubt. 'Is there a heaven for a G,' he asks. And even on his posthumous releases like 'Ghetto Gospel' when he asks, 'am I less holy because I choose to puff a blunt/and smoke a beer with my homies?' This is stuff you don't get in nerdcore.

The Beastie Boys are nerdy as hell, but they put emotion into their raps too. They put a part of themselves into it. 'An Open Letter To NYC' is as raw and emotional as anything ever released.

This, I think, is why Eminem is such a great rapper. He may joke in his songs, he may be surreal, he may be hateful on some songs (although I maintain it's a deliberate controversy to get a reaction), but it's REAL. He's saying how he feels, as a character or not, it's honesty, he means it, and that's why he hits home, whether he wants to 'spit on your onion rings' or not.

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23 Feb 2008, 7:56 pm

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Yeah, its that live and direct emotion, especially when everything about the music revolves around it well, really makes you feel like the arist knew exactly what they were doing and sent exactly what they meant to in terms of what you felt when you listen to it. wWithin any genre of music that's what seems to really define the greats - vision.

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25 Feb 2008, 7:28 pm

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aries wrote:

Kool G Rap is my favourite rapper of all time. Wanted Dead Or Alive is one of my fav albums and Streets Of New York is an all time classic. For anyone who thinks rap doesn't say anything important, if you want lyrics that tell a story and mean something check that track out.

Kool Moe Dee is an excellent choice too. In fact all your choices are great but I never really got into Biggie as that's about the time I got disillusioned with Hip-Hop.

I'm glad you think so. He does not get enough ('cough') respect. He is my favorite rapper by a mile.

What got me into Biggie was hearing one of his last ever recorded performances on a radio show. Anyway, i'd recommend this for the naysayers...DJ Vlad and Dirty Harry. Mixtape: The Notorious B.I.G.: Rap Phenomenon. Google that, try and get hold of it. Its a bit weak in the middle, but has a lot of his raps cut over different beats. It's v.good if u ask me.

Thanks for the recommendation, I'm going to track it down

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26 Feb 2008, 12:46 pm

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Yeah, there is a lot of elitism within rap fandom. A lot more people are getting into rap these days, but unfortunately, tons of people are into this nerdcore stuff (which really isn't me) and they just instantaneously discount anything gangsta. It's as bad as the people who don't listen to rap at all.

So true. This thread is a pleasant surprise, before I clicked the thread title I was half expecting to read 6 pages worth of rap is crap.

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26 Feb 2008, 1:06 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

JamesBond wrote:

Kool G Rap (is the top dog)

Yeah, 'The Realest' with him and Mobb is pretty sick.

Kool G rap is the best. He was probably the biggest influence on the 90s NY hiphop scene especially the whole mafioso rap (mobb deep, rae & ghostface, nas etc) phase.

Kool G Rap ft. Nas - Fast Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE6E1jHc6hM

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26 Feb 2008, 10:36 pm

For some reason i thought NIN had split... dunno, maybe it's because i associate them with my ex

re the last few posts: i LOVE Dre's beats... and Missy's, and Timbaland's... beautiful, bass heavy, sci-fi $#it, but i'm just turned off by the lyrics... same old misogynistic, conspicuous consumption crap... god, i'd love to hear some hardcore intellectual consciousness over some of those type of beats tho (kind of what i was hoping dead prez would be with their "RBG" ("Revolutionary But Gangsta") thing, but they didn't quite live up to it IMO)...

(i would just listen to the instrumentals of the tracks, but i find that the beats, while awesome, need an MC on top of them to fully realise their awesomeness somehow... i downloaded the instru's of one Eminem track and one 50 Cent track that i really liked the beats but hated the lyrics of, but found them a bit too repetitive and boring... same reason i can't really get into techno...)

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27 Feb 2008, 6:49 am

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For some reason i thought NIN had split... dunno, maybe it's because i associate them with my ex

re the last few posts: i LOVE Dre's beats... and Missy's, and Timbaland's... beautiful, bass heavy, sci-fi $#it, but i'm just turned off by the lyrics... same old misogynistic, conspicuous consumption crap... god, i'd love to hear some hardcore intellectual consciousness over some of those type of beats tho (kind of what i was hoping dead prez would be with their "RBG" ("Revolutionary But Gangsta") thing, but they didn't quite live up to it IMO)...

(i would just listen to the instrumentals of the tracks, but i find that the beats, while awesome, need an MC on top of them to fully realise their awesomeness somehow... i downloaded the instru's of one Eminem track and one 50 Cent track that i really liked the beats but hated the lyrics of, but found them a bit too repetitive and boring... same reason i can't really get into techno...)

Yes I know what you mean about the production on some commercial hip-hop. I like a lot of the Crunk type stuff produced by Lil' Jon but they aren't exactly deep and meaningful when it comes to lyrical content! It's more like dance music for me in that way or pop music. I just take it the same way I would any instrumental music and ignore the vocals.

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27 Feb 2008, 7:45 pm

I'm too hyperverbal and too obsessed with meaning to ignore the lyrics of anything

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28 Feb 2008, 1:07 pm

You're right about Missy, she has a kind of esoteric, doesn't-give-a-shit attitude to her beats taht I like a lot.

I disagree about Timbaland though. I think he's hit on a core sound now and so he just re-uses it over and over and over and over and I'm sick of it.

A lot of mainstream hip-hop production is really weak now when you compare it to Dre. Look at that crap Soulja Boy... there is no bass in that. Then listen to something like 'Niggaz Don't Die' from the second NWA album. It's huge, it's epic, there's bass, the drums are massive, and if you listen on headphones you hear how textured it is.

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03 Apr 2009, 3:33 am

BeedaWeeda, Mac Dre, J-Stalin, AP9, The Jacka, Husalah, Fed-X, Demolition Men, Johnny Ca$h, Crest Creepaz, A-Wax, Smigg Dirtee, Woodie, Big Meech, Bleu Davinci, Evidence, Yuk Mouth, Lou E Lou, Ryda J Klyde.

Mostly bay area rappers, too many to list.

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04 Apr 2009, 6:28 pm

i like hardcore/ underground gangsta rap but i hate lil wayne, t.i t-pain florida and all that crappy mainstream rap that the preps listen to . i like tupac, three six mafia, notrirous big, jay z, young jeezey, ice cube, dmx, ice t, snoop dog / 50 cent ( before they were mainstream) emmniem and game are amazing cuz they kept the same style even all these years they were mainstream and now both have double release special edtion online downloadable only albums which are both top notch plus nas has a great interent only album too my fave rappers are lupe fieasco and dl incognito cuz their lyrics are crative and flow with the beat. i also like old school rock rap like run dmc( named the king of rap), neastie boys, public enemy and some kid rock. i like skate punk rap like gym class heros, x and shwayzy( great to skate to). and rapcore like pos, linkin park, mickey wah wah, d block and casisdy( they are great to bmx to) and i like new devopling rap styles that are not avable outside of mysapce pages styles like grime and d - beat/ tenco- electronica rap.

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08 Apr 2009, 1:02 pm

Most rap I hear in Portland are about sex, drugs, and Cocoa Puffs.
The majority of rap is generically terrible. Enough said.

BTW, there is a book called Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs
you can find at your nearest bookstore.

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09 Apr 2009, 4:01 am

I've only paid attention to hiphop for a couple of years, and of what I've heard, I prefer the gangsta classics, particularly east coast: Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas, Jeru the Damaja. Secondary honors go to some of the older pioneers - Grandmaster Flash, Public Enemy. I'm far from a connoisseur as there are huge gaps in my knowledge of the genre.
I don't have a problem detaching myself from some of the philosophies expressed in gangsta rap (misogyny, $$ obsession). I think the rappers I mentioned told worthwhile stories of street life that need to be judged in context. Even Biggie was able to roll back his ego enough to put out the track "Suicidal Thoughts", expressing moments of weakness.

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09 Apr 2009, 11:16 am

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09 Apr 2009, 4:45 pm

i used to like rap like ICP, KMK, twizted, eminem.
theres some rap stuff i like on the radio im really liking that song from flo-rida right round he somewhat copied that song but i like it.
and some of TI's hits and i really like lil waynes lollipop but other than that i really hate rap lol
oh and i like some stuff from beastie boys & atmosphere.

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11 Apr 2009, 9:51 am

i can get down everyonece in awile. my favorite rappers are busta rhymes and mystical

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