Michael Jackson had Asperger's?

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And if Michael was "Aspie"... he was the most coordinated one I've ever seen!

What's stupid? The fact that I don't think he's on the spectrum?

His siblings turned out rather fine in comparison. Childhood trauma can't make someone as weird and "abnormal" as Michael Jackson. At most it can make someone self harming, outacting or suicidal with low self esteem. In the case of MJ, his rigid routines and dreamy worldview was not the result of childhood trauma.

Trauma which leads to personality disorders doesn't start when the child is 7-8 years old. It starts at birth or even before that. It's like being born on a highway full of noise, dropped right out of the womb.

His childhood might have enhanced the quirkyness and alien nature already present in him, but it was not the cause.

MJ was also with high probability bipolar. A trait he also shared with Adolf Hitler. They both went into a manic state of mind during their performances, feeling on top of the world, and then dropped far down into the shadows fantasizing and dreaming about secret worlds and spiritual peace. They both used countryside resorts to cut the real world off and regenerate strength.

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People who are abused don't become someone like he was, i.e. very sensitive, etc. I suffered all those things and I'm autistic. I'm sure he was on the spectrum. I just resent what you said about abuse. It's very typical though. I guess you think people who are abused can't also be autistic. How lame.

Meadow, people can have dissenting opinions; you do not need to attack or insult them for having a different perspective than you do, as not all people react in the same ways.


M.

It is a stupid idea. That isn't attacking someone.

I guess it's because I look at everything from sort of a psychologist-like viewpoint, but one thing I've noticed being a member here just over the past few days is that any time anyone names a person-- whether it be themselves, a celebrity, a relative, child, etc-- and mentions autistic-like traits the person has, most people here are like "Oh yeah, she's Aspie." or "He's definitely on the spectrum," despite the fact that MANY, MANY, MANY other things come into play with a person's behavior. I guess because for most members here, autism/ AS is such a part of their life and they're hyper- aware of it, they seem to attribute all "odd" traits or "eccentricism" to it. And if anyone thinks that's stupid, please go sit in a psychology class for 5 minutes.

As with Michael Jackson as a child, when you hear people who knew him talk about how he was from the time he was little bitty, what they described was not a typical description of a child on the spectrum. Many professionals have examined Michael's personality and behaviors from afar, and many can see where he was a naturally very emotionally sensitve child and was in fact traumatized beyond belief. I'm not saying he didn't have AS, I'm just saying you've gotta look at the whole picture and understand that not every eccentric, odd, or quirky person in the world is autistic!

In your narrow-minded opinion, maybe.

Please understand that not every quirky, eccentric, weird, or strange individual has autism. That's what's stupid.

Michael Jackson was an aspie with a whole bunch of co-morbids. It's rare but people who have those elements all put together tend to become very weird yet charismatic and almost magnetic.

High intelligence, rich imagination, signs of schizoid, narcissistic and bipolar disorders, paranoid behaviour etc. It's the recipe for an alien. A person with a mind which isn't really human. That doesn't mean it's negative though, it can be something very positive and be the foundation for a great visionary leader, showman, artist or thinker.

The bottom line is, you won't find people as abnormal as Michael Jackson just by looking at one aspect, such as childhood trauma OR autism OR personality disorders. He had the entire package. He was autistic, had personality disorders and a messed up childhood which fueled his already abnormal behaviour and turned him into someone who mentally existed in a different universe.

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"I guess you think people who are abused can't also be autistic. How lame."

Meadow,
I never said nor implied that in any way, shape or form that I thought people who are abused can't be autistic. If you think I did, please re-read what I wrote. If anything, what You are saying is "lame". And to be honest, you seem like one of the ones who thinks every quirk, strangeness, oddity, sensitivity, or whatever = autism.

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He has been put on an official list of people on the spectrum. I'm well versed in psychology as well as I am myself autistic and personally identify him as being on the spectrum. We all have our opinions but they are just that.

Now that is a personal attack, just to be clear. I hope that makes you feel better. I have very strong feelings on the issue for personal reasons but I apologize for making you feel offended. Your post really, really offended me too though.

So on this "official list", is it a list of people who are CONFIRMED and OFFICIALLY diagnosed? If not, it's not too "official".....

Well I apologize, but if you bite, don't expect NOT to get bitten back.

I'm curious - what list is this? I've never encountered such a thing, and so my curiosity is piqued.

Broox & Meadow... if you need to continue this discussion/argument, please do so privately. The warning regarding attacks extends to all involved - it's not necessary, and is expressly addressed under the site rules.


M.

I honestly don't want to talk to you. Look it up.