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Shaneheath
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08 Oct 2010, 2:36 pm

takemitsu: i did, he still doesn't sound like serj to me. sounds like a modern version of johnny cash and elvis.

fehndrix: i know, it was part of an album tony did with a bunch of different vocalists like billy idol and meatloaf.

serj also did a song with deftones called "mein" a song called "viktor" with a band called visa, he guest starred on 3 buckethead songs called "we are one", "coma" and "waiting hare", he did a song called "feel good" with hed pe, and he did a song called "mushroom cult" with a band called dog dance disco. there are more but those are the ones i know from memory



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08 Oct 2010, 9:31 pm

Meatloaf wasn't on that album :) You might be thinking Skunk Anansie singer Skin and her song "Meat".


God, that was a great album.



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09 Oct 2010, 9:31 am

when i downloaded the album, it had meatloaf in captions on one of the songs. never bothered to listen to anything but patterns though. it was just part of my quest to download everything from SOAD/serj/scars on broadway



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09 Oct 2010, 10:06 am

I have all the SOAD cd's. I prefer their early work over their last two but that's only a matter of taste. Anyway, I'm also a fan off Serj Tankian's solo album and the new one that's coming. Not sure what the other members are doing these days. Doubt they'll ever reunite.



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09 Oct 2010, 11:18 am

crimsonfield: i agree, their earlier albums were much better. serj tankian's solo work is amazing, and that album you're speaking of is already out (it was pretty good), and there was a live version of elect the dead done with an orchestra released in march

and about them not reuniting, according to an interview shavo odadjian posted on ultimate-guitar, the band went on hiatus because if they hadn't, they would have indeed broken up. he went on to hint about how one of the members of the band started getting hollywood on them (obvious who it is if you listened to hypnotize/mesmerize) and the other 3 members weren't going for it.

so there is still a possibility of them getting back together, but if you want my honest opinion, i don't think they should. daron malakian made his music mainstream as s**t when he did scars on broadway, using incredibly simple lyrics/guitar for every song (one song's lyrics consist entirely of "cute machines, that i love, cute machines, i can't get enough"), and hearing that makes me assume that system's music would reflect that, since he writes most of their songs.

serj tankian's brought his music in a direction people never really though possible, and while daron's getting worse, serj is getting better than ever, and he doesn't really need system to be successful anymore (hence why the general consensus is he's not too worried about whether or not system reunites)

but, only time will tell what happens with all that.



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09 Oct 2010, 11:49 am

Every song on Scars on Broadway's first album is a classic. I love 'Insane'.

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09 Oct 2010, 12:57 pm

robo37: can't really say i can agree with you there (did you not hear my "cute machines" speech?) but we're all entitled to our opinion.

insane is one of the better songs on the album because it works being as basic as it is, while songs like world long gone or enemy are just repetition of simple riffs and lyrics that kind of irks me (i can play most of their songs on guitar, and they're so, so incredibly easy) universe is a good song, serious isn't bad, and hungry ghost (released in the japanese versions of the album) had a cool eastern vibe to it. but it's all still at a level of complexity i find shameful for daron malakian (listen to the SOAD song nuguns for insight at how intricate he can be)



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09 Oct 2010, 1:57 pm

Shaneheath wrote:
robo37: can't really say i can agree with you there (did you not hear my "cute machines" speech?) but we're all entitled to our opinion.

insane is one of the better songs on the album because it works being as basic as it is, while songs like world long gone or enemy are just repetition of simple riffs and lyrics that kind of irks me (i can play most of their songs on guitar, and they're so, so incredibly easy) universe is a good song, serious isn't bad, and hungry ghost (released in the japanese versions of the album) had a cool eastern vibe to it. but it's all still at a level of complexity i find shameful for daron malakian (listen to the SOAD song nuguns for insight at how intricate he can be)


Although I see your point, the complexity of the guitar layer of a song doesn't necessarily pair up with the complexity of the song's meaning. Personally I value meaning in music above most things, and I think the album is massively more meaningful, creative and intelligent than 99.99% of music today.



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09 Oct 2010, 2:24 pm

i disagree with that as well. daron malakian's songwriting in general, lyrically as well as musically, has been stripped down entirely to catchy pop jingles that lack real meaning. when serj tankian sings about love, you don't just hear it, you feel it. with daron, all of his emotions feel synthetic, especially considering the fact that it's widely known that he's a dick. a lot of his lyric writing sounds like he's trying to capitalize on what people thought of his system writing style.

with system, it was never the lyrics that made the songs, it was the way they sounded, the way they felt, daron's lyrics have always been lacking, and without serj it's a lot more obvious.

example #2 whoring streets has a 3 note solo and repetetive, almost meaningless lyrics. 2 guitar riffs are the only thing besides that solo in the song.

i've spent a lot, and i mean a LOT of time listening to everything by everyone in system, and after a while, everything from scars gets old. it's too simple and too repetetive (spelling?) to be enjoyed after prolonged listening. they say? 3 riffs. funny? 3 riffs. serious? 3 riffs. kill each other/live forever? 3 riffs. daron malakian is capable of so much more than what he did in scars, and scars is just hollywood daron trying to make a name for himself without serj.



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09 Oct 2010, 11:05 pm

I love the Scars On Broadway album. It's not perfect but it's a great rock record. Honestly, if Daron kept doing SoB, I wouldn't mind if SOAD never got back together.



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09 Oct 2010, 11:16 pm

Shaneheath wrote:
maybe like a deeper version of him, when he's singing. MJK is another one of those unique vocalists i mentioned


There's something about the timbre in their voices. Hard to describe...the clarity/clean way they sing?


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10 Oct 2010, 1:56 pm

well, serj tankian's vocal style is directly derived from listening to his father sing old armenian songs when he was a kid, so maybe the inspiration for his style is what sets him apart.

i don't know much about MJK but i do know that both him and serj have really complex ranges and can do a wide variety of vocal styles.



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11 Oct 2010, 12:17 am

I loved Toxicity and didn't think Hypnotize was anywhere near as good. Remember kind of liking Steal This Album. Don't think I listened to the first album or Mesmerize really.